Generation Legacy the Next Generation of OOC

[Agamon]

Agamon, I have it on PDF. Its a really good book. Basically you can use it to replace the powers chapter in the main book. It has rules for power creation, and breaks down how all of the powers in the game were created. Its not a critical thing to have, but it does a heck of a lot of fleshing out of all the powers. It also adds in a bunch of powers.

Cool. I don't see needing it, as this is my only M&M game, but I can now see it's usefulness.

I wasn't really blaming bad luck with dice rolls for all of that, really any of that, since the dice didn't cause the actions, the dice rolls are seperate from the plot. I just feel like Kelly has been through the ringer, and is on her second or possibly third trip through it. I realize she has made bad choices, but having lived through all of the events listed above, does anyone honestly think she would be thinking clearly or making good choices? Regardless of her/my lack of common sense?

I don't know, I think at a certain point someone has to pack her up and ship her to the loony bin. Because of everything that is piled on top of her, its becoming depressing to play her. The last time I mentioned it you released some of the pressure by letting Tommy and her mom out, but it was just a fix and not a solution. I don't even know what a solution to the problem would be, I mean I love playing in the game. This is my RPG fix.

Again, I don't think players are really complaining (though PCs certianly are). She's made things really interesting and caused more than her fair share of plot hooks, which is cool. It sucks if she's not fun to play, I hope that isn't our fault for not having our PCs stand behind her. Her black and white world view is difficult to follow, unfortunately.

 

[Mimic]

Personally I believe everything that is going on with Kelly (with pretty much the exception of Legion) is her fault due to very bad decisions that she has made and not only has she failed to realise that there are consequences for her actions but pretty much blames everyone else (UNJE, Paragon, Ryan, Newpapers) for it.

As a player I am certainly not complaining as Agamon says she has certain given the game a good twist but the characters can only take so much of it.

But as always this is the time that true heros are made, will she break or will she be forged into the potential that everyone sees she could be.

Again I have to agree with Agamon, this whole black and white view she has of the world is very hard to follow. Even Gilden and his crew back in the teen justice universe had more shades of grey then she does at this moment.

 

[Shalimar]

As far as Tommy and her mother are concerned, I gave Kelly an out; she decided not to take it, as questionable as it seemed, although she could have just not teleported to the United States and put her that much closer to her psychotic stalker… I added the scene with Metatron to show that not all is well in the United States and Kelly rushed in as I figured she would and got beat, by a big bad… even under normal circumstances he probably would have hurt her bad, albeit in a more drawn out fight…

I actually thought that she was taking the out. She got ready to leave, and was planning to leave within seconds of when Phase did. It wasn't like she had chosen to stick around, she had planned to leave right when Phase was leaving, just going somewhere else.

I did expect that she would lose to Metatron, not horrendously since she is PL 10 at least damage and toughness-wise, but I didn't expect her to go down in one hit again, or have it be a fatal 1-hit if you consider the falling too. Thats just the vagaries of the dice though. I'm not exactly happy with the no hp since I tend to get pretty bad toughness rolls, but I can deal with that.

Again, I don't think players are really complaining (though PCs certianly are). She's made things really interesting and caused more than her fair share of plot hooks, which is cool. It sucks if she's not fun to play, I hope that isn't our fault for not having our PCs stand behind her. Her black and white world view is difficult to follow, unfortunately.

No, its not the other players that are making it unfun to play her, its the always going from bad to worse without anything ever getting better, I mean for Kelly personally. I get that things are ramping up over the entire game as we get closer to fighting Overseer, and that part is cool. Her life is sort of a black downward spire, apart from the Overseer stuff, its depressing. I think the thing that crystalized it was when she went to a totally random news hq and the person she ended up talking to was the Red Witch.She was trying to do something she honestly believed in, and before she had even gotten started a big bad was there warping it and making it the wrong thing. She was trying to do something pure and good, and before she even got started it was tainted.

 

[Tokiwong]

No, its not the other players that are making it unfun to play her, its the always going from bad to worse without anything ever getting better, I mean for Kelly personally. I get that things are ramping up over the entire game as we get closer to fighting Overseer, and that part is cool. Her life is sort of a black downward spire, apart from the Overseer stuff, its depressing. I think the thing that crystalized it was when she went to a totally random news hq and the person she ended up talking to was the Red Witch.She was trying to do something she honestly believed in, and before she had even gotten started a big bad was there warping it and making it the wrong thing. She was trying to do something pure and good, and before she even got started it was tainted.

I take full blame for that.

But even without Red Witch being there the result would have been the same, the news are not interested in always telling the truth, but making the most sensational stories possible. It was pretty much doomed to failure even without Red Witch.

 

[Tokiwong]

I always intended Red Witch to have a double life in normal society what makes her dangerous is not just her arcane power but her temporal power as well. Kelly just happens to allow me to highlight that fact in a way that is meaningful for the story.

I am sorry if Kelly’s life seems like it is a downward spiral, and for that I apologize, I have been trying to get positive characters to try and get her to listen to them, and try and be there for her, but she instantly attacked Oracle and then Jun Min almost back to back, shutting any avenue for me to try and be positive, her mother even said that she should perhaps take it slow and even her father said that he didn’t want her to protect him, but she went ahead anyways because she chose to.

I can’t force a positive response, I can only nudge, and I am sorry for that. When Kelly went to New York it gave me a good opportunity to showcase CHIMERA which will hopefully play a larger role in the future…

I feel bad because you do get the short end of the stick at times… but you also get the majority of the story/screen time as well. I can see Kelly maybe learning from this, and like the others her moral outlook is a little sideways to reality, I am not sure if that is intentional…

 

[Samnell]

She was trying to do something pure and good, and before she even got started it was tainted.

There's your problem. Kelly should try to do something evil and corrupt. Kick babies. Have ketchup with scrambled eggs. Maybe, if you can stomach it, make friends with Ryan. Instead of that, something pure and good will happen. If Kelly tries her hardest at befriending Ryan, the Overseer might even just admit that he was wrong and give up on those whole re-ordering of the multiverse thing. Instead he could take up origami.

 

[Shalimar]

Personally I believe everything that is going on with Kelly (with pretty much the exception of Legion) is her fault due to very bad decisions that she has made and not only has she failed to realise that there are consequences for her actions but pretty much blames everyone else (UNJE, Paragon, Ryan, Newpapers) for it.

But as always this is the time that true heros are made, will she break or will she be forged into the potential that everyone sees she could be.

I honestly don't see how she could not break, I think only the fact that it wouldn't be fun has kept her from being a gibbering catatonic wreck, but as she becomes less and less fun, its reaching gibbering wreck stage. Kelly is a nice peron, an honestly nice person, the type of people that are the heros you are talking about aren't nice people. They may act nice, or be polite, but deep down they aren't nice people. The people that deal with stuff like this are like Jack Bauer, they want to be good people, and they do good things, but they aren't remotely nice.

You are right when you say the characters can only take so much of it, that includes her. I don't think she is wrongly attributing blame. To her mind, the fact that Paragon knows the truth about Mexico City and is still blaming Bishop for it even when he knows, means that it is his fault. I'm not quite sure what of that is wrong. She was pissed off at Ryan because he was threatening her boyfriend with sending him to jail, and because he generally isn't a nice guy. Paragon and Ryan are the type of people that get things done because they couldn't care less about being nice or doing the right thing, they only care about completing their goals, and they don't get distracted.

She is certainly to blame for her choices, but all of the stuff that has happened to her isn't the consequences of the choices she has made. Her father's murder, and her mom being with Pantheon was out of left field. In response to that she has clutched at BIshop, wanting him to be a replacement for her dad. Every time she tries to fix a problem that she sees its like she is flailing out. Chimera kidnapping her isn't a forseable consequence of her action, the same way that Esther and the Sheriff getting ripped apart by mini-guns fired by the DEA isn't a reasonable consequence of her calling the cops for help. You can say it was reasonable to assume Legion would do something, but with control of that much money he could do whatever he wanted wherever he wanted it (not to mention his powers).

At this point I honestly don't know what she can do to get herself out of any of the trouble that she is in, even a little bit of it. Whatever she does people around her die, at least in her mind. She blames herself for what happened to her Dad, and for what happened to her mom. And now the others are going to get in trouble for killing DEA people, and she'll likely be blamed for starting a war between the UN and the US. I just don't know what to have her do, and where she can go from here. I have no clue why anyone would want to have anything to do with her.

 

[Tokiwong]

If it makes you feel any better only Chance and Colonel Himura have actually killed anyone DEA wise, nice acronym

 

[Victim]

The team's exit plan should be using the super strong characters to throw people out of dodge.

 

[Agamon]

The team's exit plan should be using the super strong characters to throw people out of dodge.

I'm glad Anika is currently too fast to catch and throw.