Lord Xaviar
Lord Xaviar
try to avoid them have had bad wishes.
Getting Wishes out of a Genie
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Jacob
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Trap The Soul is another option, though it also is rare like the Iron Flask mentioned above. Also have to take into account the one use gem for the spell to work. If it's a simple Noble, that's a 10k gem minimum. Trapping creatures in any means is so expensive. 
orion90000
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From a DM's perspective. Under what circumstances have you granted your PCs wishes?
Jack Simth
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Trap The Soul is another option, though it also is rare like the Iron Flask mentioned above. Also have to take into account the one use gem for the spell to work. If it's a simple Noble, that's a 10k gem minimum. Trapping creatures in any means is so expensive.
You can cut down on the costs a little with Shades, which can do 8th level Conjouration(Summoning) spells (like Trap the Soul) without the material component.
Jacob
Explorer
By giving them what they specifically ask for, keeping in mind that what they ask for cannot be given without some sort of detriment. I once offered three wishes to the only two PCs who showed up to the session, and all three were Wishes that were beyond what a Wish could give without detriment. Least that's how I called it. You be the judge:
The Rouge wanted to be able to do Constitution Damage akin to the special ability they get later on, but what he said was "Drain"...and because I ruled that a Wish cannot give you class abilities, his soul got attached to the Shadow Plane, and people that die from his Con Drain have the chance of coming back as Shadows.
The Fighter wished for a +1 Holy Flaming Frost Shock Greataxe that would be no detriment to him. He meant himself and his allies, but you get what you say, and because there needed to be a detriment, the Axe of the Lonesome Warrior was created. Granted, a Wish could make the weapon without detriment...as long as the caster paid the XP cost, which the Djinn wasn't going to do. But then there's that talk on Spell-Like abilities and XP, and I still have to read this discussion...
And then I made the two PCs Undead when they asked to be immune to diseases, poisons and the like. FUN!!!
So...first a Will save to see if they believe the illusion. Then a percentile roll to see if it really effects them anyway, then another Will save against Trap The Soul if it happens to work? That's just...*blown away*
Granted, that's still calling upon a high level caster, and I don't know where you store a creatures soul if there is no gem to put it in, but still...*blown away again*
Jack Simth
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Assuming that your opponent has a 50/50 chance of beating the save, you're skipping X,000 gp in components by using a spell slot 1 level higher, and reducing the odds of it working by 5% (50% chance of beating the first save, and an 80% chance of it working anyway if they do = 90% chance that they'll still need to make the second save; they've got a 50% chance of making the second save, so it's 45% likely to work... vs. 50% likely with the proper... oh, wait: the proper spell is one level lower, and the target would have a 45% chance of failing the save vs. the 8th level spell if the target would have had a 50% chance of failing the save vs. your 9th level spell. This changes a bit based on how likely the target is to save, but it's not as significant as you might think. And there's ways to make that 80% chance into a 100% chance, negating the effects of the first save completely).
You have the same problem with the base spell - Trap the Soul has the gem as a material component, which is by definition destroyed by the spell. The simplest solution is 'Shades creates a Shadow-Gem for the purpose'
