Ghost Rider?

IcedEarth81 said:
What does that mean? Does that mean that we aren't supposed to expect comic book movies to have a decent plot, to be well shot, and to have great performances?

What gets me is the use of the term comic book movie, as if it means anything. There's more to comics than super heroes people!

Ranger REG said:
Spidey and Batman are A-list superheroes. We're talking about Ghost Rider, one of the B-list. If anything it should be as good as the first Blade film.

irrelevant, the fact Ghost Rider is a C-list character doesn't mean a movie about him must be inherently inferior.

That's not to say I don't understand why it happens.
 

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I'm suddenly inspired to list a few of the very many stupid things about Ghost Rider:

1. Voice over intro with words to the effect of, "They say the West was built on legends...." Who says this? Why does it merit repeating at the end of the film?

2. Cowboy Ghost Rider outraces the devil, who remains perfectly still while Cowboy Ghost Rider gallops off toward the horizon. Some race....

3. Blackheart (easily one of the stupidest villain names EVAR) can't enter holy ground to snatch the contract from the caretaker, but he can enter holy ground to torture a priest to find out where the contract is.

4. No one in the entire history of the universe has ever said, "You!?" and then struck a pose to point at the surprising person, let alone done so twice.

5. Cowboy Ghost Rider wastes his last transformation to gallop across the desert just because it'd look kewl d00d!
 

What I meant by “comic book movie” is that the story/plot, dialogue, and most poses/scenes feel “comic booky”. (My comic book knowledge is 10+ years out of date.) Comic books do have a feel that is very different from a movie – different media, different methods of story telling. (Note how none of the X-Men wore tight, colorful costumes in their movie. “Would you rather wear yellow spandex?”) Dialogue is given in a different way in comics -- the illustrations are not moving, so standing still to deliver the dialogue feels more like a comic book scene.

For instance:
1. Voice over intro with words to the effect of, "They say the West was built on legends...." Who says this? Why does it merit repeating at the end of the film?
I imagined this statement on the first splash page of a comic issue, in a yellow box. I can again imagine it as the last yellow box of the issue.

2. Cowboy Ghost Rider outraces the devil, who remains perfectly still while Cowboy Ghost Rider gallops off toward the horizon. Some race....
I can picture this image as the last panel and text of the introduction (maybe 3 pages of the comic).

3. Blackheart (easily one of the stupidest villain names EVAR) can't enter holy ground to snatch the contract from the caretaker, but he can enter holy ground to torture a priest to find out where the contract is.
Blackheart is a comic book name – Like “Blade”, because he wields a sword? “Hulk” because he is big? "Doctor Doom"? Come on, cheesy names are the norm for comic books.

I was confused a bit over him being able to enter a church, also. I expected to learn that something had happened at the location that unhallowed it. <shrug>

4. No one in the entire history of the universe has ever said, "You!?" and then struck a pose to point at the surprising person, let alone done so twice.
Characters in comic books do it all the time. It’s a standard image.

5. Cowboy Ghost Rider wastes his last transformation to gallop across the desert just because it'd look kewl d00d!
I thought he changed his last time to show Johnny Blaze where the village was located – to take him to it. (A true ghost town wouldn’t be marked on a map). And it did look cool.

And even Spider-Man had some comic booky feel – a genetically altered spider cannot transfer it’s genetics through a bite. Why did Peter develop web shooters in his wrist (that’s not were spiders have “web shooters”)?

Interesting how some people can accept comic book story/plot, dialogue, and scenes in some movies, but they can’t enjoy it in another movie. So, anyway, I, personally, don’t care if you (general “you”) didn’t enjoy the movie. I enjoyed it, and I think it is because I was more willing to accept the comic book feel.

Quasqueton
 
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I saw the late showing on Friday night (to take off from studying vocabulary for the GRE), so I was basically just looking for a movie to shut my brain off and have fun.

In my opinion, GR was not good, but it wasn't horrible. Some people left the theatre muttering "Worst movie ever" (I would reserve that for Blair Witch Project 2 or Manos: Hands of Fate), and while I enjoyed the film for what it was (very good visually, and I have never been a Ghost Rider fan), I did leave thinking "I hope they don't make a sequel."

It was a fun movie (despite the fact that I can't stand Nick Cage -- another reason why I neither liked nor hated the film), but would probably not buy it on DVD, not w/out some great extras.

Plot - thin and weak
Actors (and remember I HATE Nick Cage as an actor) - were ok
Visuals - great

Overall - medicore to eh, worth a matinee
 

Taking just one example:

Quasqueton said:
Characters in comic books do it all the time. It’s a standard image.

Admittedly. And in a comic book, which is not a live action, moving picture, it might work. But movies are a different medium, and require different "standard images" in order to avoid looking stupid.

I got no problem with either comic books or comic book movies. I think Adam West in Batman is one of the all-time greats. Ghost Rider might be a good comic book, but it was a horrible movie on so many levels it could've been made by George Lucas.

And, from me, that's about as horrible as things can get.

;)
 

Ghost Rider might be a good comic book, but it was a horrible movie on so many levels. . .
Judging from the few GR issues I’ve read, it was a horrible comic book :-) The movie was better than the books. Maybe I had lowered my expectations enough?

Quasqueton
 

Quasqueton said:
Judging from the few GR issues I’ve read, it was a horrible comic book :-) The movie was better than the books. Maybe I had lowered my expectations enough?

Damn my relentless optimism! :D

Seriously, I don't mind a movie being bad as long as it also entertaining, but Ghost Rider commits the cardinal sin of movies: It is both bad and boring. This puts Ghost Rider on my must never watch again list along with such drek as every Star Wars prequel and all of the Harry Potter movies. (Heck, the last Hary Potter movie bored me so much that I actually fell asleep, and this is from someone who reads Soren Kierkegaard for fun.)
 

Interesting. I’d see GR again; free or very cheap – but not $8.50 again.

Damn my relentless optimism!
In one of the comics I read, the villain was Devil Woman (you see, she got her powers from the Devil! :-). She had captured GR and was telling her back story – she was “tricked” into attending an all-chick Satanic ceremony, and she was sacrificed to the Devil. GR used her mental distraction to escape. She killed herself at Satan’s demand because she failed to hold GR.

In another comic, the villains was a death cult – their battle cry was, “We serve death!” They, of course, all rode motorcycles.

Totally lame, in my opinion. The movie was head and shoulders above this kind of story. (Both of these were from the 70s -- the first was 1973.)

Quasqueton
 
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My wife, daughter and I saw "Ghost Rider" at a matinee. We enjoyed it, the visuals and music were good. It was oddly entertaining watching Cage channel Elvis and Evel. We felt sorry for the guy who was the watery demon; just being made up like that seemed uncomfortable. the air guy was kinda cool.

My wife was pleased with the casting of Sam Elliot; that was enough eye/voice candy for her the same way I enjoyed Eva Mendes.

I took the scene with Carter Slade being the old GR turning over the reins to the new GR and then riding off into the sunrise. :) He did give him what he needed to be able to defeat the evil, both the gun and information. That was cool. The whole Carter Slade bit was cool, including the hellride.

Now, I had read there was an R rated horror GR script. I think that would have been a better movie, but I'm satisfied with what I got.
 
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