chriton227
Explorer
In a game in which I'm a player, we recently encountered some ghouls, and had some confusion about the conditions they inflict. The GM made a ruling in favor of the players, but I'm not sure it was correct according to the RAW.
When a ghoul hits with it's basic attack, it inflicts an Immobilized (Save Ends) condition. It has a separate at-will attack it can use against Immobilized, Stunned, or Unconscious targets that inflicts a Stunned (Save Ends) condition.
Let's say Bob the Fighter is fighting a ghoul and gets hit by the basic attack. He is Immobilized and at the end of his turn, he gets to make a save to end the effect. Bob rolls a 3 and fails to save. The next round, the ghoul hits Bob with it's other at-will, inflicting the Stunned condition. Which of the following is correct:
1) Bob is only Stunned (Stunned superseded Immobilized). He makes a single save at the end of his turn to end the Stunned condition. If he saves, he is neither Stunned nor Immobilized.
2) Bob is Stunned and Immobilized. He makes a single save at the end of his turn to end both conditions. If he saves, he is neither Stunned nor Immobilized.
3) Bob is Stunned and Immobilized. He makes a single save at the end of his turn to end the stunned conditions. If he saves, he is no longer Stunned, but he is still Immobilized. He can save on future rounds to end the Immobilized condition
4) Bob is Stunned and Immobilized. He makes a separate save to end each condition at the end of his turn. Depending on which (if any) saves he succeeds at, he could be Stunned, Immobilized, both, or neither.
The GM ruled on the spot that the Stunned condition superseded the Immobilized condition, so if a Stunned character saved, they were then neither Stunned or Immobilized (option 1 from above). By my reading of the rules, I think it should have been option 4.
When a ghoul hits with it's basic attack, it inflicts an Immobilized (Save Ends) condition. It has a separate at-will attack it can use against Immobilized, Stunned, or Unconscious targets that inflicts a Stunned (Save Ends) condition.
Let's say Bob the Fighter is fighting a ghoul and gets hit by the basic attack. He is Immobilized and at the end of his turn, he gets to make a save to end the effect. Bob rolls a 3 and fails to save. The next round, the ghoul hits Bob with it's other at-will, inflicting the Stunned condition. Which of the following is correct:
1) Bob is only Stunned (Stunned superseded Immobilized). He makes a single save at the end of his turn to end the Stunned condition. If he saves, he is neither Stunned nor Immobilized.
2) Bob is Stunned and Immobilized. He makes a single save at the end of his turn to end both conditions. If he saves, he is neither Stunned nor Immobilized.
3) Bob is Stunned and Immobilized. He makes a single save at the end of his turn to end the stunned conditions. If he saves, he is no longer Stunned, but he is still Immobilized. He can save on future rounds to end the Immobilized condition
4) Bob is Stunned and Immobilized. He makes a separate save to end each condition at the end of his turn. Depending on which (if any) saves he succeeds at, he could be Stunned, Immobilized, both, or neither.
The GM ruled on the spot that the Stunned condition superseded the Immobilized condition, so if a Stunned character saved, they were then neither Stunned or Immobilized (option 1 from above). By my reading of the rules, I think it should have been option 4.