Giants in the Earth discussion: Jack Sparrow and Pirates of the Carribean

[Glyfair]

In D&D, alignment is a stat. Not a numbered one, yeah, but it's still one anyway.

Yes, but in this case it's not very important. Alignment is a guide to a character's behavior, but we know his behavior pretty well.

 

[Hussar]

But alignment fights are fun.

 

[frankthedm]

I love this thread. It asks for stats on Jack and co. and it desolves into a debate on alignment.

Vitally important. Statting a character involves filling out the blank parts the source material leaves. How someone will act in new situations is what alignment will guide. How sparrow acted when the chips were down and his ass was on the line shows his real character. And In D&D one's real character can determine who will work with you, who will put up with you and who can smite you.

The second movie reinforces that Captain Jack Sparrow was not a 'good guy'. I have strong suspicions that was why many 'fans' of Sparrow disliked the second movie. If someone was unable to accept that Jack was willing to sacrifice Will Turner again or damn 100 souls for 100 years, then they were going to be unhappy with Dead Man’s Chest.

Sparrow fits 3e chaos fairly well...

Chaos implies freedom, adaptability, and flexibility. On the downside, chaos can include recklessness, resentment toward legitimate authority, arbitrary actions, and irresponsibility. Those who promote chaotic behavior say that only unfettered personal freedom allows people to express themselves fully and lets society benefit from the potential that its individuals have within them.

 

[Son_of_Thunder]

Agreed! He's chaotic lets move it along. Pick neutral or evil to go along with it and lets go.

 

[Henry]

Agreed! He's chaotic lets move it along. Pick neutral or evil to go along with it and lets go.

That I can go with. I'm just waiting for someone to claim he's Lawful.

I definitely think, based on the second movie, Jack would have those Luck Feats from Complete Scoundrel out of the wazoo! No matter how many times he's slated to be cooked, damned, cursed, or killed, he always seems to survive.

 

[Azgulor]

To really emulate the characters, I'd say you have to move away from stock D&D and look at D20 and OGL variants. My interpretation utilizes primarily classes from the Conan RPG.

Jack Sparrow - Pirate class from Conan RPG. While GR's Buccaneer and Unorthodox Pirates Freebooter are good pirate classes, I feel Conan's Pirate class models Jack's abilities better. Level probably in the 11-14 range.

Will Turner - Unorthodox Pirate's Swashbuckler is a good fit (and superior to WotC's Swashbuckler, IMO). Perhaps a few levels of Fighter(Soldier in Conan RPG) to bump up his fighting ability. In terms of combat ability, a Conan Soldier/Thief can emulate many of Will's combat talents. This multiclass would need to employ some alternate class abilities, however, in order to better emulate the genre. Level 8-10 in CotBP. Will's combat ability should (BAB & HP) should be on par with Jack's even though he's lower level, thus the more martial focus. In CotBP, during their first encounter, Will and Jack are evenly matched from a swordfighting perspective (arguably, Will was marginally better). It was Jack's cheating that tipped the scales.

Elizabeth Swann - Noble class from Conan RPG (apporx. 4th-5th level in CotBP). Probably should have a reduced combat ability being a noble's daughter ala A Game of Thrones. She buys this penalty off between CotBP and DMC and perhaps takes a level or two in Pirate (although Thief or Swashbuckler could be argued). Level 7-8 in DMC.

Governor Swann - Noble. Level 6-8.

Norrington - Soldier/Noble multiclass. Level 10-12.

Barbossa - Pirate or Freebooter. Level 12-14.

Davy Jones - Pirate or Freebooter. Aberration (&) Undead? Level 14-18.

Tia Dalma - (Hell yes, she's HOT). Scholar [Sorceror] or Witch from Green Ronin's Thieves' World Player's Manual. Level - harder to guess, but I'll say level 12-15. Obviously, NOT using D&D's Vancian magic system.

Azgulor

 

[darkseraphim]

Jack is Chaotic Neutral. Move it along!

 

[Ashy]

Jack is Chaotic Neutral. Move it along!

QFT; esp. if you've seen PoC3!!

 

[Gez]

Tia Dalma - (Hell yes, she's HOT). Scholar [Sorceror] or Witch from Green Ronin's Thieves' World Player's Manual. Level - harder to guess, but I'll say level 12-15. Obviously, NOT using D&D's Vancian magic system.

You've not yet seen Pirates 3, have you?
[sblock]According to Deities & Demigods, she should have something like 40 levels, in a cleric 20/druid 20 spread for example. And a divine rank, too.[/sblock]

 

[Andor]

[sblock="Spoiler"]So how many ranks in balance do you need to fight atop a slimy yard arm on board a ship in a battle while getting swirled about in a maelstrom?[/sblock]