[Gleemax]Another thing not to like.

[Felix]

But I agree - that Gleemax policy is BS. I'll certainly never post anything there.

I'd be wary of posting stuff there for this reason as well, except that I rarely post my house rules, and mostly spend my time bickering over rules arguments and alignment threads.

Is there anything that the Gleemax boards provide that ENWorld doesn't already? For those of you who post to both boards, what does Gleemax offer that you can't find at ENWorld?

 

[Gez]

Not sure this is necessarily a good thing, and I certainly don't like the fact that they can use whatever I post in any way they want.

Before: "We own whatever you post, so we can use it however we want."
After: "You keep ownership of what you post, but we can still use it however we want."

I don't see how the new terms are worse than the previous. Arguably, they're not much better, but they're not worse.

 

[rgard]

Before: "We own whatever you post, so we can use it however we want."
After: "You keep ownership of what you post, but we can still use it however we want."

I don't see how the new terms are worse than the previous. Arguably, they're not much better, but they're not worse.

I think somebody mentioned it above, but why not just slap the OGL at the end of whatever you post. Wouldn't WotC have to include your name at least in an OGL section of whatever medium they decided (book, pdf, etc) to publish your posted stuff?

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Ry]

I'm not sure the OGL and Gleemax TOS are compatible.

 

[Bayushi Seikuro]

Again, it seems to me that this discussion is another "I don't like GleeMax, and I was Right In The First Place."

Again, it would seem that the ToS is arguably better now. Instead of them owning everything you write, they reserve the right to use whatever you might design that they think is 'cool'. How is this different from any book put out under OGL? Again, yes, they could clarfiy and say 'If we use something, we will make sure you get a non-paying credit'.

Like someone said, for a lot of gamers, getting an idea worked into a mainstream product is awesome enough; probably more so for Magic:the Gathering which has NO way for you to homebrew-and-mass-publish.

And again, Wizards should clarify that you will get credited if things appear in a book or in a Magic set; I think for alot of people who might not have the drive or talent to crank out a massive sourcebook, that would be enough -- to own a real book and show friends and brag.

Of course, your mileage will vary, and of course none of us will really know what's going on until, as they say, the rubber hits the road.

 

[Khairn]

I don't see how the new terms are worse than the previous. Arguably, they're not much better, but they're not worse.

From my point of view, the issue is not that the rules have changed in any real way. The difference is that in the past the WotC boards, were simply a community center with very little functionality specifically built for GM's writers, developers, etc.

The intent of Gleemax is to create a site specifically designed to support and encourage writers, designers, storytellers etc.

As Imaro said above ...

The problem is if it does attain that goal, anything posted can be used by WotC. Now the established IP of any particular company is protected, but anything else...for any system, or setting can be used by WotC as they please. I'm sorry but creating what is suppose to be a "neutral" site for gaming and implementing this doesn't seem productive. Sites like enworld, rpg.net and therpgsite make no such claims on the property of posters...because they are neutral sites.

 

[vongarr]

I think it's a very good way to handle it. It's like what PC game developers do with the Mod community.

 

[Imaro]

Again, it seems to me that this discussion is another "I don't like GleeMax, and I was Right In The First Place."

No, its really not. I think the idea of Gleemax is a great concept...that said it doesn't mean I have to like the way that certain things are implemented. Doesn't mean I think Gleemax the concept is a bad idea.

Again, it would seem that the ToS is arguably better now. Instead of them owning everything you write, they reserve the right to use whatever you might design that they think is 'cool'. How is this different from any book put out under OGL? Again, yes, they could clarfiy and say 'If we use something, we will make sure you get a non-paying credit'.

Okay, first let me say that I had no problem with the ToS as stated on the WotC forum. Those forums were created specifically for WotC games and they were never intended to be a central spot for all gaming. Gleemax is suppose to be something different, and arguably, the ToS are, IMHO, worse for the type of site WotC is claiming they want Gleemax to be. I'd love to be able to go here and see a game designer from another company talking about new mechanics or even a new setting for systems other than D&D or d20...of course anything he/she posts can then be used by WotC in any way they like. If I owned a gaming company such as White Wolf or Black Industries, I wouldn't want my game developers anywhere near a site like that...at least not as far as discussing new projects or game systems.

Like someone said, for a lot of gamers, getting an idea worked into a mainstream product is awesome enough; probably more so for Magic:the Gathering which has NO way for you to homebrew-and-mass-publish.

That's great, but you seem to be of the notion that only things that pertain to WotC's IP's are up for grabs on the site, since Gleemax is suppose to encompass all gaming this just isn't the case. Your assumptions also seem to lie in the fact that only amateurs would be posting things on Gleemax, and once again, I was under the impression that the site will be embracing companies, designers, etc. outside of just d20 or D&D.

I don't know if the whole-just be happy your being published-thing is a valid argument. People get paid if they're idea or article gets published in Dragon or Dungeon...but if you want to get some feedback or criticisms on something your working on and you post it on the site...WotC can stick it in the DI without paying you or giving you credit.

And again, Wizards should clarify that you will get credited if things appear in a book or in a Magic set; I think for alot of people who might not have the drive or talent to crank out a massive sourcebook, that would be enough -- to own a real book and show friends and brag.

This is a matter of opinion, and if that's how you feel more power to you. But if that's the case it makes more sense to submit to Dragon or Dungeon, doesn't it? Or like I said above what if you just want advice on how to tweak something your working on or to have a brainstorming session with others before you submit it to one of the mags? A bigger issue you seem to be ignoring is the people from other companies who may post something, and have it suddenly useable by WotC. I guess the best policy is don't post it...but this line of thinking seems to inherently limit what I imagined one of the coolest aspects of a central gaming hub like Gleemax could offer.

Of course, your mileage will vary, and of course none of us will really know what's going on until, as they say, the rubber hits the road.

Uhm...they posted the ToS, my hope is that they will come around and change them before the actual launch. As of now I think it's a big mistake that may end up scaring off alot of people, amateur and profesional, from sharing their ideas.

 

[prosfilaes]

But, EnWorld is not a public forum, it's a privately owned website. The fact that they have the right to delete anything they want to pretty much negates any ownership you might claim over anything posted.

That's analogous to a library's right to remove any book they want. It doesn't give them any rights over the contents, just over their collection.

 

[s.j. bagley]

when i first heard of the whole gleemax thing, it seemed like quite an interesting idea, and it seemed like a huge step into the present on wotc's part.
now, i feel skeptical, at best, and will probably be quite careful when it comes to creative content on there.
i think that the idea of gleemax is a step forward, but the tos is about twelve steps back.