Globe of Invulnerability

[Plane Sailing]

The reason that line was added was because the spell was originally designed as a way to stop incoming spells, not to have a dispelling effect

I think it might also have been done so that wizards were not stripping off their buff spells, see invisibility etc when casting it...

The problem is that it suddenly introduces a whole lot of new complications to adjudicating it, and there is an entire range of spells which it used to help against but no longer does. Someone comes up to you with mirror images running? they are still there. Summon Monster I wanders up? Not affected.

Running it the old way, where it always suppressed all 1st-3rd level spells within its radius made lots of sense, and the stripping of your own buffs made an effective counterbalance to its defensive potential.

I chalk this up as another casualty of their "lets make as many changes to spells as possible in 3.5e" attitude. All this when they say they didn't have enough time to playtest a new metamagic system, sheesh!

Cheers

 

[andargor]

Previously it was a brilliant defence against being "silenced" by a cleric, because a high level wizard could just cast his "globe" silent and he was free to continue casting. Now it only works if it has been pre-cast as a defence.

Well, there is also AMF, but it is one level higher...

Andargor

 

[Master Psion]

I think it might also have been done so that wizards were not stripping off their buff spells, see invisibility etc when casting it...

The problem is that it suddenly introduces a whole lot of new complications to adjudicating it, and there is an entire range of spells which it used to help against but no longer does. Someone comes up to you with mirror images running? they are still there. Summon Monster I wanders up? Not affected.

Running it the old way, where it always suppressed all 1st-3rd level spells within its radius made lots of sense, and the stripping of your own buffs made an effective counterbalance to its defensive potential.

I chalk this up as another casualty of their "lets make as many changes to spells as possible in 3.5e" attitude. All this when they say they didn't have enough time to playtest a new metamagic system, sheesh!

Cheers

Actually, the 3.5 PHB specifically states that creatures inside a globe would see a mirror image created outside the globe. If the caster then entered the globe, the images would wink out, to reappear when the caster exited the globe.

I can't say that I completely agree with the way the spell works currently, though. After reading through it again, a few questions come to mind:

1)Why is it immobile but listed as an emanation effect? Every other spell that I can think of that has an emanating effect (magic circles, repulsion, protection from evil or the like) moves with the caster. It has a short duration and can be dispelled. Would it really be that unbalancing if it went with the caster?

2)I don't see anything in the description where they specifically state whether or not existing spell effects within the globe when it is cast are suppressed. I imagine this is where you could play it either way since WotC didn't specify.

3)Why exactly are spells and spell-like abilities from items excluded from the list of effects that are stopped by the globe? I hope I'm reading this wrong because this is the way I see it: a wizard could launch a fireball at a person inside a globe only to find that it fails to affect that person. That same wizard could then pull out a wand of fireballs, which he created, launch a fireball at the same person inside the same globe and this time hit the person with the spell. Assuming all the variables are the same with the spell that was cast by the wizard and the spell fired from the wand, what makes the spell cast out of the wand so special it gets to bypass the globe's protection?

4)Here's a silly one... Since it is an emanation effect, an epic player could very well take the Permanent Emanation feat to create a permanent Globe of Invulnerability. Tired of being woke in the morning by your fellow adventurers casting magic missiles at you? Create a globe centered on your bed. Tell me that isn't just crazy.

 

[Plane Sailing]

2)I don't see anything in the description where they specifically state whether or not existing spell effects within the globe when it is cast are suppressed. I imagine this is where you could play it either way since WotC didn't specify.

Umm - the bit I quoted perhaps? p236 column 3 line 11?

I can understand why people might miss it, but it is quite a big change (and doesn't actually work with the mirror image example they give unless, presumably, the mirror image was cast after the globe... but how does the magic know that?!?

They were too keen to change things without thinking through other aspects of the description here, methinks!

 

[AuraSeer]

3)Why exactly are spells and spell-like abilities from items excluded from the list of effects that are stopped by the globe?

They're not. The spell description says: "Excluded effects include spell-like abilities and spells or spell-like effects from items."

The way I read that is, item powers are specifically included on the list of effects that are excluded from the globe's area.

I admit the text is vague enough to go either way, though I never thought of your interpretation before. IMO my reading has the advantage of making more sense in-game.

 

[Master Psion]

They're not. The spell description says: "Excluded effects include spell-like abilities and spells or spell-like effects from items."

The way I read that is, item powers are specifically included on the list of effects that are excluded from the globe's area.

I admit the text is vague enough to go either way, though I never thought of your interpretation before. IMO my reading has the advantage of making more sense in-game.

Yeah, it is a bit vague. I had never actually read it that way before. For some reason it just donned on me that it could be taken that way when I read it earlier.

And Plane Sailing... thanks. I have NO idea how I missed that

 

[Li Shenron]

They're not. The spell description says: "Excluded effects include spell-like abilities and spells or spell-like effects from items."

The way I read that is, item powers are specifically included on the list of effects that are excluded from the globe's area.

I think so too.

Anyway, if it wasn't for the clear sentence "You can leave and return to the globe without penalty.", I would really think that the Globe moves with you. I know it also says "immobile", which could either mean immobile relatively to its point of origin which is the caster anyway, because it says "emanation centered on you", "magical sphere that surrounds you"...

If it's not centered on you always, what prevents someone to bull-rush you out of it and then use the globe himself? Note that this is not just like a minor Antimagic Field, at least there is a big difference: you can cast spells from inside!

 

[andargor]

Note that this is not just like a minor Antimagic Field, at least there is a big difference: you can cast spells from inside!

You can cast spells from inside an AMF. If the center of effect is inside the AMF and the spell has a duration other than Instantaneous, it is suppressed until the AMF expires or the caster moves away. If it is cast from within the AMF with a center of effect outside the AMF, it takes effect as normal, except within the AMF.

Andargor

 

[Caliban]

You can cast spells from inside an AMF. If the center of effect is inside the AMF and the spell has a duration other than Instantaneous, it is suppressed until the AMF expires or the caster moves away. If it is cast from within the AMF with a center of effect outside the AMF, it takes effect as normal, except within the AMF.

Andargor

No, I'm pretty sure that the AMF blocks line of effect for magic.

 

[AuraSeer]

AMF says it prevents spells "used within, brought into, or cast into the area." If you stand inside it and cast a spell, IMO that counts as magic "used within" the field.