Gods...

[TwinBahamut]

Finally!!! Vengeance is the domain of an evil god! It bugged me that the semi-good St Cuthbert was the god of vengeance, as I see it as an evil concept.

Wasn't St. Cuthbert the god of retribution, not vengeance? I think there is something of a difference...

Anyways, I am glad they are giving Tiamat the "Vengeance" role not because she is evil, but because she is traditionally chaotic (isn't she?).

Revenge is pretty much the clearest cut "chaotic" concept that I can think of. It has always been the polar opposite of things like justice systems and legal codes. Revenge is a system of putting the burden upon individuals to punish wrongs made against them, while laws and codified justice systems exist to remove the individual's role in righting wrongs and punishing criminals. Justice exists to remove the need for revenge and revenge denies the authority of justice.

Either way, I think it would be really cool to see a character (either PC or BBEG) who has sworn an oath to Tiamat and gained her blessing (Paladin of Tiamat?) in order to seek vengeance on someone who has somehow evaded proper justice.

 

[Fallen Seraph]

I just want to see two Dragonborn Paladins one of Bahamut and one of Tiamat duke it out.

It actually be neat to see a church from around some Dragonborn who worship their "Blessed Father" Io. I don't imagine they be powerful what with their god being dead, but I think most Dragonborn no matter their allegiance would leave them in-peace.

 

[Lackhand]

I like carving religions out of other religions. This may well be presented in the core books already, but if not, here are the religious ties I plan on using.

Dragon-Gods (Old Gods, Astral Gods: 
The first ones, of the same rank as the Primordials, but of a different nature. 
The first intelligences. There are many others of fragmentary intelligence, 
slain during the Primordial's rebellion; their realms still scatter the night sky as stars. 
The Septine are recognized and worshipped.)
	Io (Deceased. Dragons, sacrifice, prophecy)
	Bahamut (Honor, Justice, Good Dragons, Dragonborn)
	Tiamat (Vengeance, Evil Dragons, Dragonborn)
	Zehir (Night, Serpents, Set clone)
	Torog (?, Evil?)
The Septine Church, The True Gods (
The younger generation of gods, and allied together. 
Each represents a planet, except for the moon, which is said to be part of a 
slain primordial of change, beasts, and destruction. 
The Serpent gods are acknowledged but not worshipped.)
	Pelor (Sun, Humans, Agriculture)
	Erathis (Civilization, and the planet Mercury -- 
		similar in personality to Athena or Mercury)
	Avandra (Luck, Chance, Halflings -- 
		also, love, and the planet Venus)
	Melora (Wilderness -- 
		the virgin huntress, Diana, and the goddess of the Earth)
	Bane (War, Tyranny, and the planet Mars)
	Moradin (Crafting, Dwarves -- 
		wealth, hearths, and the planet Jupiter)
	Ioun (Magic, Knowledge -- 
		the planet Saturn)
Unspoken Gods/Saints:
	Asmodeus (Deceit, Devils -- 
		causes eclipses)
	Vecna (Secrets -- 
		an ascended mortal, a sort of antisaint)
	Cuthbert (Retribution, Justice -- 
		sort of a Saint George figure)

Cult of the Moon (Cult of the Threefold God, Elven Court of Stars. 
A mystery cult and much favored by the fey and their allies. 
They are opposed by the Septine gods because of their unaligned nature during 
much of the war against the Primordials, being more concerned with the Feyweald.)
	Correllon (Magic, Eladrin, Sickle Moon)
	Sehanine (Moon, Forest, Elves, Full Moon)
	Lolth (Drow, Treachery, New Moon)

Cult of the Brothers (Warrior cult shared by barbarians, werewolves, orcs, giants, 
ogres, and many others; blood sacrifices are reasonably common)
	Kord (Strength, Storms)
	Gruumsh (Orcs, Slaughter -- and rage)

The Raven Queen (Death, the Dead, Winter, Fate: She gets her own religion, 
and is acknowledged in at least a folkloric sense by almost every other religion)

Cult of Elemental Evil, Elder Elemental Eye, First Evil. No more need be said.
	Tharizdun (Evil, Demons)

 

[Paka]

Bahamut (Honor, Justice, Good Dragons, Dragonborn)
Tiamat (Vengeance, Evil Dragons, Dragonborn)
Moradin (Crafting, Dwarves)
Correllon (Magic, Eladrin)
Sehanine (Moon, Forest, Elves)
Avandra (Luck, Chance, Halflings)
Asmodeus (Deceit, Devils)
Pelor (Sun, Humans, Agriculture)
Kord (Strength, Storms)
Bane (War, Tyranny)
Vecna (Secrets)
Ioun (Magic, Knowledge)
Erathis (Civilization)
The Raven Queen (Death, the Dead, Winter)
Zehir (Night, Set clone)
Torog (?, Evil?)
Gruumsh (Orcs, Slaughter)
Lolth (Drow, Treachery)
Tharizdun (Evil, Demons)
Melora (Wilderness)

Thank you for posting up this list. I found it in a google search, looking for a list of the 4E gods' names.

It made it nice and easy to start a thread about D&D in-game holidays.

 

[arscott]

And of course the 'plus one' is Paka, god of (Thread) necromancy

 

[Aran Thule]

Wasn't St. Cuthbert the god of retribution, not vengeance? I think there is something of a difference...

Trithereon was in patron of retribution(in greyhawk) but he seemed to disappear and then it was in Cuthberts portfolio.

Trithereon
Title(s) The Summoner
Home plane Olympian Glades of Arborea
Power level Intermediate
Alignment Chaotic Good
Portfolio Individuality, Liberty, Retribution, Self-Defense

 

[Orius]

And of course the 'plus one' is Paka, god of (Thread) necromancy

Speaking of which...

[size=+1]Rise! Rise and LIVE!!![/size]

(organ music and thunder!)

(ok, that was unnecessary, but I felt like lampshading)

Seriously, I'm curious about two things in the 4e pantheon and I didn't feel like starting a new thread, so I just necroed this. So actually, I will be contributing something new.

First off, I'm kind of curious about Melora. As I mentioned upthread, I have a goddess in my homebrew with the same name, but I also have a generic nature goddess and if necessary I can just swap names. I'm already using gods like Asmo, Tharizdun, the standard humanoid gods anyway, so it's no big deal. I'm just interested in some real basic information on her, favored weapon, stuff that could be talked about in a single (not too long) paragraph.

Second, Bane is basically Realms Bane, right? I have a evil tyranny god, but if Bane is Bane I'll just use him. He's my favorite of the evil Realms gods, so in he goes.

 

[Mirtek]

Edit: Didn't look at the date of the first posts

 

[Nahat Anoj]

Second, Bane is basically Realms Bane, right? I have a evil tyranny god, but if Bane is Bane I'll just use him. He's my favorite of the evil Realms gods, so in he goes.

4e Bane is supposed to be more about war and conquest than about tyranny per se (tyranny is supposed to be Asmodeus's purview), but I think 4e Bane has steadily been incorporating tyranny into his area of expertise. For example, the Scepter of Bane from Dragon 383 has the following description:

"This powerful scepter, tipped with the symbol of the Lord of Tyrants, is both a vicious weapon and a powerful implement."

I'd say 4e Bane was originally a bit more like the Greco-Roman god Ares/Mars, only with a sharper edge of cruelty and malice.

 

[Rechan]

Remember that Melora is not just the God of the Wilderness, but also has a strong Ocean and Weather component.

I'm just interested in some real basic information on her, favored weapon, stuff that could be talked about in a single (not too long) paragraph.

Favorite Weapon: Bow or Sickle/Katar/Spiked Gauntlet (symbolizing a claw).
Holiest times (when rituals/prayers occur): Dawn and Dusk.
Clerical vestments often have animal hides or trinkets (feathers, antlers) or vegetation woven into them.
Holy days: Summer and Winter equinox, first and last day of each season.
Temples: Most often crude shrines found in clearings, adrift at sea/ on islands, and on sand bars in the middle of rivers/river mouths.
Holy items for rituals/significance: Blood of the first prey killed in spring/water from the first storm ins pring, heart of a predator, last leaf of autumn, seed from the oldest tree in the forest.
Ground fit for consecration: Soil untouched by plow or shovel, unmarred by blight.
Holy water: Sea, river, rain water or snow melt collected in a basin blessed by with a holy item.