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Goggles of True Strike: To unbalancing?

domino

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Basically, we're looking at level 1 spell times Caster level 1 times 1800 for being command word activated, for goggles that give a +20 insight bonus to the next attack.

Aside from the fact that a DM would have to be insane to allow this item, is there any reason it goes against RAW?
 

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well, actually it is suggested that instead ofr looking at it like a first level spell, one should actually stat up the item using the +10 bonus, so it would be much more expensive.
 

Hm, there was a article on the Wizard's site about this. Anyone remember?

There's also a bow in Sword and Fist that casts True Strike as a standard action.
 

domino said:
Aside from the fact that a DM would have to be insane to allow this item, is there any reason it goes against RAW?

SRD said:
Many factors must be considered when determining the price of new magic items. The easiest way to come up with a price is to match the new item to an item that is already priced that price as a guide. Otherwise, use the guidelines summarized on Table: Estimating Magic Item Gold Piece Values.

Item that adds +5 to hit with ONE weapon -> +5 weapon -> really expensive.

Otherwise, note that the RAW use words like "guideline" and "estimate". They're careful. You should be, too.

-- N
 

Nifft said:
Item that adds +5 to hit with ONE weapon -> +5 weapon -> really expensive.

Otherwise, note that the RAW use words like "guideline" and "estimate". They're careful. You should be, too.
Well, a +5 weapon gives a bonus to attack and damage. Not quite the same. So maybe it'd be (really expensive)/2.
 

Jdvn1 said:
Well, a +5 weapon gives a bonus to attack and damage. Not quite the same. So maybe it'd be (really expensive)/2.

Not quite.

See, +5 to hit with ONE weapon is worse than +5 to hit with ANY weapon (esp. a +5 that stacks with weapon bonus).

So, more like (really expensive)^4.

Plus the price of improved precise shot.

-- N
 

I actually don't think it would be that bad. Command-word activation takes a standard action, so you're basically giving up one round's worth of attacks to get a big bonus on your next attack roll. That's not a trivial decision.
 

From Rules of the Game, Making Magic Items (Part Seven):
One item people frequently ask me about is a ring oftrue strike. The spell provides a whopping +20 insight bonus on attack rolls and negates miss chances arising from concealed targets. It's only 1st level, however, because it is a personal range spell with a duration of 1 round. That means you can normally manage one attack every 2 rounds when using the spell. Also, you can't bestow it on an ally (except for a familiar or animal companion) because of its personal range.

Assuming such a ring worked whenever it was needed and has a caster level of 1st, it would cost a mere 2,000 gp by the formula for a use-activated spell effect (in this case, 1 x 1 x 2,000 gp). Sharp-eyed readers will note that any continuously functioning item has a cost adjustment of x4 (see the footnotes to Table 7-33), which bumps up the ring's cost to 8,000 gp. That's a real bargain for an item that provides so much boost to a user's combat power. Much too great a bargain.

So, what would our example ring of true strike be worth? Insight bonuses aren't included on Table 7-33, but a weapon bonus has a cost equal to the bonus squared x 2,000 gp, so a +20 weapon would cost 800,000 gp. One can argue that the ring isn't quite as good as a +20 weapon because it doesn't provide a damage bonus. That, however, ignores the very potent ability to negate most miss chances. Also, the ring's insight bonus works with any sort of attack the wearer makes. On top of all that, the insight bonus stacks with any enhancement bonus from a magic weapon the wearer might wield. Still, 800,000 gp is a lot of cash and the lack of a damage bonus is significant, so some price reduction is in order. A 50% reduction might be in order, or 400,000 gp for the ring.

Would you pay 400,000 gp for a ring of true striking? I would if I could afford it. At a price of 400,000 gp, our mythical ring of true strike is something only an epic-level character could afford. That's fine, because epic play is where the ring belongs.
 


The first two paragraphs refer to use-activated, the next two use the same equation Nifft is alluding to.

Seems relevant to the conversation, at least.
 

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