Goodman is clearly going to the GSL.

[Jack99]

Nobody paid $500.

There was nothing to pay $500 for, even if people wanted too, since the GSL was delayed and delayed.

Not to mention that it was $5000. Still doesn't change the fact that no-one paid. WotC removed the clause as they were delayed.

 

[Treebore]

Oh and the idea that Goodman are first flouting WoTC copyright and then going via GSL after GENCON is, frankly, ridiculous. Do we real;y expect that WoTC will enter into a licensing arrangment with a company that has done such a thing! Wouldn't there be legal ramifications to NOT challenging a copyright infringement?

Just remember; anything is possible when you don't know what you are talking about (and we DON'T)! I am also hearing alot of static from ORCUS as well; this is a sign of impending developments I think.

I am sure WOTC would much rather have GG under the GSL then not. So if he doesn't have special permission, and is doing these under copyright law, yes, I think WOTC would allow them to then do the GSL.

I think the fact that he said he will no longer be selling 3E items under the DCC line is very strong evidence he is going GSL eventually, since that is the only license that would keep him from doing otherwise. The D20 STL sure wouldn't stop him.

 

[Corjay]

Not to mention that it was $5000. Still doesn't change the fact that no-one paid. WotC removed the clause as they were delayed.

That's not true. I forgot where I saw it, but Goodman was the first company to pay the fee. They did indeed pay for it. Maybe because they're the only ones that's why they got special permission as a sort of thumbing their nose at those who didn't pay.

They couldn't possibly prepare all those products so quickly after the release of the public GSL unless they were bigger than WOTC, which they're not.

I also just remembered that Paizo paid and were disappointed by what they saw, which is why they created the Pathfinder line.

By the way $5,000 is a drop in the bucket for an investment to any company. It helps them decide yay or nay early instead of getting in on it late, as getting in early could earn them a heck of a lot more than $5,000.

 

[PeelSeel2]

I say this because legal stuff is not something a small company would willingly get into.

He already has got into in the past. He knows his ground. Joe is a very smart person.

I might WISH they were going via a copyright challenge, but the fact is, that is pretty unlikely.

It is not a challenge. He is producing something that he has done in the past, a module with acceptable generic terms. It would be WOTC that would have to challenge, and they would not do that. It is small potatoes to them.

And he can still go the GSL route. Why would WOTC squash that? It is still win-win for them.

It's that simple.

 

[catsclaw227]

That's not true. I forgot where I saw it, but Goodman was the first company to pay the fee. They did indeed pay for it. Maybe because they're the only ones that's why they got special permission as a sort of thumbing their nose at those who didn't pay.

I am not sure if WOTC took anyone's $5000. I'd need to see something substantial to believe this.

 

[Jack99]

That's not true. I forgot where I saw it, but Goodman was the first company to pay the fee. They did indeed pay for it. Maybe because they're the only ones that's why they got special permission as a sort of thumbing their nose at those who didn't pay.

They couldn't possibly prepare all those products so quickly after the release of the public GSL unless they were bigger than WOTC, which they're not.

I also just remembered that Paizo paid and were disappointed by what they saw, which is why they created the Pathfinder line.

By the way $5,000 is a drop in the bucket for an investment to any company. It helps them decide yay or nay early instead of getting in on it late, as getting in early could earn them a heck of a lot more than $5,000.

You are flat out wrong. Mona himself has stated on several occasions that they haven't paid anything.

 

[Corjay]

You are flat out wrong. Mona himself has stated on several occasions that they haven't paid anything.

As convincing as your emphatic statement is, I think I'll trust my memory (as bad as it is) until I see something otherwise.

While I did not have sufficient evidence to convince someone by my memory of who bought it, I think the fact that Goodman has so many products already available makes it clear in itself that they saw the GSL early.

Now the Pathfinder thing may have been simply focused on the fact that they refused to pay the money and showed their disdain for such a maneuver by creating Pathfinder (but I remember the reason for it differently). Pathfinder was not an uninformed decision on Paizo's part.

 

[Jack99]

March, 20th, Mona on the $5000

Please notice that said date is 2 days AFTER the announcement of Pathfinder. That kinda makes your idea of Pathfinder being a product of Paizo paying and not liking what they saw quite flawed.

Now, it's past 2 am here, so I am not gonna bother to search for more, but if you go to the Paizo forums, you should be able to find several posts by Erik, where he talks about getting the core books (after the release, because he is joining a 4e game run by a WotC guy), further proof that he didn't have access to the 4e rules before the release date.

Cheers

 

[Corjay]

Just because no one paid for it right away doesn't mean no one paid for it. Also, the fact of his buying a set of books doesn't mean his company didn't buy a copy, as they did not have permission to distribute multiple copies (what was it, a maximum of 5 copies or something like that?) to more than their corporate officers and then it's only for in house. He may still have bought a set for his own game despite his company buying it. I would have to see something more substantial than that.

As for the Pathfinder's release date, that seems a little too close to call and convenient for me.

 

[Grazzt]

I am not sure if WOTC took anyone's $5000. I'd need to see something substantial to believe this.

Correct. To my knowledge, the whole "pony up and you'll get to see the rules early" never happened. WotC dropped the ball on the whole deal. So no one paid. The poster is incorrect on that assumption.