Gorehounds, AVP (Unrated Director's Cut) due November with 14 more minutes...

[Sorren]

*sigh*

Please don't let this suck...

 

[Arnwyn]

Please don't let this suck...

Too late.

Things are pretty much going against it already (takes place in modern day, PG-13, some might say Paul W.S. Anderson, etc.)... I'd be surprised if anyone is expecting this to be good. (And for those that are... well, there's a certain point where a level of optimism becomes pathetic.)

I sure hope I'm wrong, though.

 

[reanjr]

I thought NC-17 was the rating only given to porn, and that movies with too much violence were rated R.

That said, this is disappointing, but I suppose not surprising.

Not true. Since the advent of the NC-17 rating (it's the newest one), Porn has generally been unrated. Before NC-17, there were three ratings for porn X, XXX, and XXXXX. These got nixed.

NC-17 is used for explicit material that the elite parents of Hollywood (the ratings group is just made up of some semi-random group of parents) believe should be prohibited from children watching, whether or not their parents would allow them to (implying that the parent is incompetent or misguided).

Some higher profile (translation: movies you may have heard of) NC-17 movies include:

Boondock Saints (original cut): Not even close to being sexually explicit (one bared breast for about 5 seconds). Excellent movie. I suggest everyone see this.

Clerks (original cut): Kevin Smith's original Jersey flick. I've never seen the original cut...

Crash: Fictional documentary about people turned on by car crashes and death. The sexual material (from what I've heard) is no greater than your standard Rated R fare, but the added deviance of the car crashes gives it an NC-17

Evil Dead: Cult classis. Nowadays it's released as unrated.

Kalifornia (original rating): One of Brad Pitt's finest movies.

Kids: Now goes unrated. Disturbing look at inner city youth drug and sex. Not explicit, but as it dealt with underage actors and characters, got the NC-17 rating

L.I.E.: From what I hear, it's a very touching story. But unfortunately for the producers, the touching story involves an aging homosexual pedophile and a young boy.

Monster's Ball (original cut): Big 2001 hit starring Halle Berry and Billy Bob Thornton

Rated X: Biopic with Emilio Estavez and ? Sheen. It's the true story of two gentlemen opening a strip club and getting into the porn industry. Probably explicit, but not exactly a porn, either.

Romper Stomper (original cut): Russel Crowe breakout movie about neo-nazi like gang behavior.

Trouble Everyday (never released in America, but I guarentee it would get an NC-17, also known as Gargoyle): I can't even describe this movie without sounding explicit. It deals with sex and cannibalism. I'll leave it at that.

 

[reanjr]

IIRC, and I do because I just rewatched them, the violence wasn't really all that in-your-face in either the Aliens or Predator movies. I think the era in which they were made as well as the language has as much (or more) to do with their rating than the violence.

Of course, that's more true for the Alien movies than the Predator movies, which did show more bloody body parts, but I still think the idea of the movie as a PG-13 is totally doable without watering down the concept.

I agree. The entire Alien line of movies could be release today as PG-13 movies if they cleaned up the language a little. They might not even have to do that. F___ is now considered PG-13 if it's used sparsely or comedically in good taste.

 

[Krug]

The clip from Yahoo! movies is rather uninspiring: http://movies.yahoo.com/movies/feature/alienvspredator.html

Looks and feels like a WWE fight.

 

[wizardneedsfood]

It actually looks promising to me. I'm not expecting a great plot or anything, just a fun little movie to entertain me.

 

[Mr. Kaze]

Things are pretty much going against it already (takes place in modern day, PG-13, some might say Paul W.S. Anderson, etc.)...

More precisely, it's a violation of general franchise precepts on both sides of the family.

Alien never got close to earth (and this, along with aliens having eyes -- windows to the soul, but alien killing machines don't have souls and therefore don't have windows to them -- and Ripley being promoted to god-emperor of the franchise when she had started off as a deep space trucker trying to get home for her daughter's birthday, is why the fourth film was so unacceptably bad). Alien was always distant, remote, and cut off from any kind of outside help with resources being distressingly constrained (Cameron's giving Ripley unconstrained resources at the end of Aliens was a lovely catharsis after having the dropship smash the APC early-on -- but the cutting of the nifty-cool sentry guns entirely from the original release? To reduce the humans' resources even more and thus increase the pressure on them...). AVP is set on earth where... we've got everything we need to nuke the heck out of everybody.

Predator is drawn to the hottest parts of the earth the the most flash-point conflicts. They step into the middle of brutal violence and beat down the winner to prove that they're even better than all that and a bag of chips -- it's not like they're going on interstellar surfing tours, you know? But AVP is set in Ant-freakin'-arctica using imported game from another franchise that wasn't due to arrive on earth for several centuries (and probably the worst sequel its ever been my misfortune to see).

The only way I might be tempted to not despise the script is if, when the Predator temple is discovered under the ice, one explorer turns to another and says...
"It looks like a hunting lodge for rich wierdos"

to which the audience replies...
"But rich wierdos aren't in season!"

::Mr Kaze

 

[frankthedm]

Oh no! The movie is sure to suck because it's rated PG-13 instead of R! Get a grip!

No, it will suck in same manner of T3 -hollywood squeezing a franchise dry with a movie with a few scence of coolness-. Since I doubt AVP will have as high a end of movie kill ratio

Spoiler

In T3 whole planet gets nuked despite all efforts

AVP has to make up this with gore or a final scene of aliens overrunning planet earth as a Predator hunting park.{not spoiler, i only guess.] AVP might be a fine popcorn movie, but from what i have seen, things look worrysome.

My post was directed at lovers of movie carnage, it was not saying AVP will suck BECAUSE of being PG-13, it was saying it might suck AND have little good gore to make up FOR that.

I will likely hit the cheap showing, i just have low expectations. A perfect ending {to ME} like T3 would make up for the rest o the crap.

 

[Desdichado]

Things are pretty much going against it already (takes place in modern day, PG-13, some might say Paul W.S. Anderson, etc.)... I'd be surprised if anyone is expecting this to be good.

I don't understand most of your complaints. Takes place in modern day? Hmm... So do both Predator movies. PG-13? Yeah, I don't like any PG-13 movies . Paul Anderson; I liked Event Horizon and the original Mortal Kombat well enough -- Mortal Kombat in particular took a profoundly silly concept from the source material and turned it into something watchable. Plus, Anderson has been the consummate fan of both the Alien and the Predator franchises. He's as likely to get it right as anyone else in Hollywood that would direct it.

 

[Green Knight]

I hope so. I've been dying to see an Aliens Vs. Predator movie for YEARS, now! I've heard about the possibilty of one since the mid-90's, so it's nice to see it finally materialize. Just hope it's good. :\ (And yeah, Alien 3 and 4 sucked hard).