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D&D 5E Grand Master of Flowers: Speculation on James Wyatt's October Book

Parmandur

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One of the more curious elements of the recent Adventures in the Forgotten Realms card Set for Magic: the Gathering (Important to note that the creative director for this set is none other than...James Wyatt, of which more anon) is the appearance of the god Bahamut under the guise of a Human Monk titled the "Grand Master of Flowers." At first, this struck me as super random, as I did not recall hearing of Bahamut being a Monk previously, but more usually a Galndalf/Odin-like wandering old man figure. But then I looked into the Grand Master of Flowers in Forgotten Realms lore, and things got interesting.

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Pictured above is St. Sollars hosting the adventuring party in the old AD&D Module H4: Throne of Bloodstone. St. Sollars "the Twice-Martyred" is the found and divine patron of the Monastery of the Yellow Rose in Damara, which earlier in the H series had been a base of operations for the player characters, and whose leader is the Grand Master of Flowers, just like Bahamut's title in the Magic card. in H4, the party deals directly with St. Sollars, who "informed them that Bahamut wanted to prevent Orcus—Zhengyi's patron—from getting to the Material Plane." After having retrieved the Wand of Orcus, "To destroy the wand, St. Sollars directed them to Bahamut, who in turn predicted that the Wand of Orcus needed to be bathed in the blood of a slain avatar of Tiamat, the Dragon Queen. After the slaying the avatar and destroying the Wand, and a last meeting with Bahamut, St. Sollars healed the heroes, rewarded them with wishes, and let them rest in the Seven Heavens for a day before sending them on their way." Although he was a servant of the god Illmater, "St. Sollars also revered the god Bahamut, the Platinum Dragon, whom he called 'the big boss.'"

It seems that possible James Wyatt is playing off this obscure connection between Bahamut and the Monastery of the Yellow Rose in this card, and I have to wonder if this is not a preview of how Bahamut is going to be expanded in the apparent new Dragon book coming this October.

 

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Urriak Uruk

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Huh. Yeah, that's some pretty obscure connections, but seems like it's probably correct... I bet Wyatt must have run that module to be that familiar with it.

If the October book truly is a Dragon book (and I think the consensus is that it probably is) then it would make sense for this to be explained a bit more there.

I am curious what the format of the book will be, as it seems like it will combine monsters, subclasses, races and lore into one book but also not be a new setting. Unless it really is Dragonlance, but I doubt that.
 



Huh. Yeah, that's some pretty obscure connections, but seems like it's probably correct... I bet Wyatt must have run that module to be that familiar with it.

If the October book truly is a Dragon book (and I think the consensus is that it probably is) then it would make sense for this to be explained a bit more there.

I am curious what the format of the book will be, as it seems like it will combine monsters, subclasses, races and lore into one book but also not be a new setting. Unless it really is Dragonlance, but I doubt that.
A small expansion to what Volo's and Mordekanian's did
 

Parmandur

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Huh. Yeah, that's some pretty obscure connections, but seems like it's probably correct... I bet Wyatt must have run that module to be that familiar with it.

If the October book truly is a Dragon book (and I think the consensus is that it probably is) then it would make sense for this to be explained a bit more there.

I am curious what the format of the book will be, as it seems like it will combine monsters, subclasses, races and lore into one book but also not be a new setting. Unless it really is Dragonlance, but I doubt that.
I would guess the nearest equivalent is Volo's Guide to Monsters or Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes: Volo's came out in 2016, MToF in 2018, it's about time for a Monster book.

I'd call this almost a "Meta-Setting" since Volo's and Mordenkainen's spent so much space on generic D&D Lore, with bits and bobs about how to tie into specific Settings (Volo's Yuan-Ti are interestingly completely different from Forgotten Realms lore, humorously enough). The big difference from what we know so far are the Subclasses, but that's a pretty minor change-up. I think we are looking at:

- In-depth Lore about Dragons just like Volo's, maybe split up into 3 Chapters to cover the 3 major True Dragons. Maybe the Subclasses are in the Metallic Dragon Chapter, to reflect their role as NPC Patrons and Allies?

- In-depth Lore about Dragonborn (about time), and possibly a new take on Kobolds.

- Bestiary covering All. The. Dragons. Weird things like Dragonnes, everything.
 



Parmandur

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A small expansion to what Volo's and Mordekanian's did
Yeah, both of those books already had beefy lore development sections, and spe done a few pages on a couple Subclasses is a pretty small.addition. Having a few Subclasses might have been good for Mordenkainen's: Infernal, Abyssal & Fey Sorcerers spring to mind immediately, but Fiends offered a lot of possibilities.
 

Yeah, both of those books already had beefy lore development sections, and spe done a few pages on a couple Subclasses is a pretty small.addition. Having a few Subclasses might have been good for Mordenkainen's: Infernal, Abyssal & Fey Sorcerers spring to mind immediately, but Fiends offered a lot of possibilities.
I was surprised that Mord's didn't have Warlock expansion
 

Parmandur

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Just as a point of comparison, here is the Table of Contents for the 3.5 Draconomicon, per the DMsGuild. I expect much more fleshing out of the individual Typea of Dragons, since.the 5E Monster Manual already has this level of content per type, but some possible the Bestiary here:
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Huh. Yeah, that's some pretty obscure connections, but seems like it's probably correct... I bet Wyatt must have run that module to be that familiar with it.

If the October book truly is a Dragon book (and I think the consensus is that it probably is) then it would make sense for this to be explained a bit more there.

I am curious what the format of the book will be, as it seems like it will combine monsters, subclasses, races and lore into one book but also not be a new setting. Unless it really is Dragonlance, but I doubt that.
this could be interesting as any monk lore would help and you're likely correct in structure.
 


jeremypowell

Adventurer
I believe Mr. R. A. Salvatore likely has something to do with all this.

The key sources for information about the Monastery of the Yellow Rose other than the original Bloodstone adventure trilogy are 2e's The Bloodstone Lands—to date, still the only D&D game supplement with Salvatore credited as the sole author—and the early-5e-era Drizzt story arc Companions Codex, some of which takes place at the monastery. Drizzt
took his monk level dips there, training with the most recent (so far as I know, as of 1484 DR) Grand Master of Flowers, named Kane, who was one of the pregens in the original Bloodstone adventure trilogy. Prior to becoming Grand Master of Flowers, Kane also appeared in Salvatore's Sellswords trilogy about Artemis Entreri and Jarlaxle.
Given all that, I think it's likely this new MTG card is our first glimpse of a plot event / revelation due in an upcoming Salvatore book.
 


Interesting... I didn't realize that Bahamut had a human alter ego in the Forgotten Realms as well. I remember the Bahamut equivalent in Dragonlance, Paladine, having a "bumbling idiot" sort of alter ego, Fizban the Fabulous, in the Dragonlance books.
 

Parmandur

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Interesting... I didn't realize that Bahamut had a human alter ego in the Forgotten Realms as well. I remember the Bahamut equivalent in Dragonlance, Paladine, having a "bumbling idiot" sort of alter ego, Fizban the Fabulous, in the Dragonlance books.
Well, his wandering persona is mentioned in thenPHB, MM, and DMG, I believe.
 

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