Grandson of Son of Squamous. HIVE that is it's own Grandpa...

[Relique du Madde]

So I played my first full session of D&D 4E today. Not enough to make a judgment. So far I'm thinking that I'd rather stick with what I've already sunk so much time and money into.

I wonder what the HIVE 4e conversion rate is now...

 

[Phaezen]

Morning Hive

I wonder what the HIVE 4e conversion rate is now...

4E, 3.5, Pathfinder, C&C whaterver. As long as it embraces the art of killing things and taking thier stuff.

Oh and telling stories about it

 

[WhatGravitas]

The can be "super natural" but not super human and they can't use "magic" or god like powers in the fight .

Well, I think Goldmoon is using charm hive... so magic seems to count!

I gave it a shot shortly after it came out...and it's not a bad system. I just find it too confining, repetitive, and full of weird rules which break immersion for me. Not that any prior edition didn't have it's share (I'm looking at you, 3E Epic rules), but it was way too jarring to my sensibilities as either a DM or player.

I think a problem is that 4E immersion depends more on the DM than before. If you get a weird DM, you get a much weirder game than with 3.xE, because the simulationism sort of enforced some common sense.

On the other hand, my sensibilities are more pulp and "indie RPG" and I sort of prefer style over substance in the fantasy genre, so YMMV.

Cheers, LT.

 

[Aeson]

I gave it a shot shortly after it came out...and it's not a bad system. I just find it too confining, repetitive, and full of weird rules which break immersion for me. Not that any prior edition didn't have it's share (I'm looking at you, 3E Epic rules), but it was way too jarring to my sensibilities as either a DM or player.

Combine that with a general dislike of WotC's trend in both content and production levels over the last 3 years, I had no reason to shell out money again.

In the end, it afffects me little - where I live, people play based on the Genre and GM, not on System alone. I have over a dozen people who want me to run something - and if I chose RIFTS, I'd probably have players, because of how I run, not because of the system I use.

In the end, that's the key - it doesn't matter what system as long as the Ref is good at telling a story, and you are among friends.

I was encouraged to play by someone saying that it's more about gaming with our friends. I know the system doesn't matter as much.

I liked 3.5. It could be the people I played with or it could be the system. I think part of it is the openness. I like that I can go to Green Ronin or Malhavoc or any number of others and find something new to add and in some cases a supplement was was better than a version put out by WotC or another 3rd party.

I wonder what the HIVE 4e conversion rate is now...

I'm not sure the conversion rate is as high as it was. Some that played are now rethinking it.

Morning Hive



4E, 3.5, Pathfinder, C&C whaterver. As long as it embraces the art of killing things and taking thier stuff.

Oh and telling stories about it

Hear, hear.

Well, I think Goldmoon is using charm hive... so magic seems to count!

I hope the hivers were not the only ones to vote for her.

I think a problem is that 4E immersion depends more on the DM than before. If you get a weird DM, you get a much weirder game than with 3.xE, because the simulationism sort of enforced some common sense.

On the other hand, my sensibilities are more pulp and "indie RPG" and I sort of prefer style over substance in the fantasy genre, so YMMV.

Cheers, LT.

I think the right or wrong DM could change the first impression.

 

[Relique du Madde]

FINALLY I'm finished with my "personal medallion".. I hoe we don't have to turn it in since my medallion is mixed mediaand I'd rather not loose it. I'll probably take a high resolution picture of it then turn that in at the end of the quarter if it needs to go into the class's "personal profile portfolio" opr what ever the teacher called it.

Never the less it'll be an interesting presentation.

 

[The_Warlock]

That's the thing, I think good players and a good GM can make almost any system shine. And I like a mix of common sense (which I suppose might be taken as simulation by some) and heroic and action oriented swahbuckling/cinematic action.

The end result was I wanted a system that retained internal consistency and world consistency, and could handle archetypes and lone wolves, without pigeonholing characters, or enacting wierd limiting rules to prevent the very schticks that an achetype was built around. And 4E just didn't do that for me without having to rewrite massive chunks of it as house rules.

Thus I moved on in a different direction.

On that note, time to sleep. Night all.

 

[Aeson]

I have a Green Ronin character portfolio for 3.5 that I bought. Would it be wrong to look for a pdf version to use for copies? It would be easier to print it out than make copies of the hard copy in my opinion.

 

[Blackrat]

I have a Green Ronin character portfolio for 3.5 that I bought. Would it be wrong to look for a pdf version to use for copies? It would be easier to print it out than make copies of the hard copy in my opinion.

Legally, yes it would. Morally, not in my opinion, but I'm pretty liberal anyways

 

[Relique du Madde]

Contents of the personality medalion:

An excerpt of Salton City Needs Heroes! Post 1.
RUIN Flier
Movie Tickets
D20 (on +0), 2 d6 (on 6)
Jr Bob Dobbs
A broken key.
A guarden gnome.
A mayan pyramid (Tikal)
Several misc Mayan Glyphs.
Hand making obscene gesture to Pope John Paul... (I'm not saying F U to the church in that image. The image represents the fact that the Pope blessed my middle finger. Long story short: During a papal mass I tried to get him to bless me (because I thought it would be funny if I got blessed). There was a crowd so I stood on a chair and fell. As I fell my fingers currled up as if I was flipping him off and then he touched my middle finger and made the sign of the cross).

 

[Relique du Madde]

I have a Green Ronin character portfolio for 3.5 that I bought. Would it be wrong to look for a pdf version to use for copies? It would be easier to print it out than make copies of the hard copy in my opinion.

Actually... you have to see if the book states you can reprint materials from it. Several of their books said's it's fine (for certain items)..