Grasping/Crushing Hand

[marune]

Can a Grasping/Crushing that is grappling with it's target can use the Move or the Pin options ?

If yes for Move, what is it's speed ?

If yes for Pin, when it's victim is pinned, can the hand prevent the victime from speaking ? Can the hand use the disarm action to remove/grab away an item ?

Since in the spell there is no BAB for the hand, I suppose that the "grab" part of grappling is done automaticaly when the target is specified. So the first check is the Grapple Check to establish a hold.

 

[Infiniti2000]

Can a Grasping/Crushing that is grappling with it's target can use the Move or the Pin options ?

Not move. That requires a standard action, but "The grasping hand gets one grapple attack per round." Pin, yes. That's equivalent to an 'attack' and "Some of these actions take the place of an attack...."

If yes for Pin, when it's victim is pinned, can the hand prevent the victime from speaking ?

Yes, I don't see why not.

Can the hand use the disarm action to remove/grab away an item ?

That's a good question. I'd have to say yes.

Since in the spell there is no BAB for the hand, I suppose that the "grab" part of grappling is done automaticaly when the target is specified. So the first check is the Grapple Check to establish a hold.

An attack roll is still required. "Its attack bonus to make contact equals ...." A BAB is not required if the rules provide an alternative for the attack bonus. It then goes on to differentiate the grapple bonus.

Note that no damage is ever done by the hand.

 

[marune]

An attack roll is still required. "Its attack bonus to make contact equals ...." A BAB is not required if the rules provide an alternative for the attack bonus. It then goes on to differentiate the grapple bonus.

Note that no damage is ever done by the hand.

The only thing provided by the spell is a grapple bonus (using the caster level, the Hand strenght and his size) and nothing is said about using it for the "grab" attack roll.

Note that no damage is ever done by the hand.

With Crushing Hand damage is done for each sucessfull grapple check.

 

[Infiniti2000]

The only thing provided by the spell is a grapple bonus (using the caster level, the Hand strenght and his size) and nothing is said about using it for the "grab" attack roll.

Sure it is.

Its attack bonus to make contact equals your caster level + your Intelligence, Wisdom, or Charisma modifier (for wizards, clerics, and sorcerers, respectively), +10 for the hand’s Strength score (31), -1 for being Large.

How is the above attack bonus not an attack bonus to your attack roll "to make contact"? The spell then continues:

Its grapple bonus is this same figure, except with a +4 modifier for being Large instead of -1.

 

[marune]

Sure it is.

Its attack bonus to make contact equals your caster level + your Intelligence, Wisdom, or Charisma modifier (for wizards, clerics, and sorcerers, respectively), +10 for the hand’s Strength score (31), -1 for being Large.

How is the above attack bonus not an attack bonus to your attack roll "to make contact"? The spell then continues:

Its grapple bonus is this same figure, except with a +4 modifier for being Large instead of -1.

Oh, sorry I was reading Crushing Hand and this one only mentions the second part.

 

[Infiniti2000]

Oh, sorry I was reading Crushing Hand and this one only mentions the second part.

Ah, I see. That does create a pseudo-conflict. Maybe Crushing Hand does not require an attack roll. That's not exactly working like Grasping Hand, though.

The touch attack is easy enough that it most likely wouldn't make a difference anyway.

 

[marune]

My player who chose Crushing Hand spell for her sorceress was surprised with the fact that the spell can be resisted with SR.

For a 9th level spell, a Large hand that already can't grapple gargantuan/colossal thing, that has low AC/hit point and is easy to dismiss (dispel magic/disintegrate) I have to say that I'm a bit disappointed too.

See Interposing Hand for AC/HP/Dispels/SR.

 

[TheGogmagog]

I was curious if people had used the grasping hand spells, and how satisfied they were.

I was looking into taking them for a spellcaster I am playing but ruled them out becaused they seemed weak. With all the complaints about Grapple not scaling, the (Bigby's) grasping hand spells don't recieve complaints. (Evard's) Black tentacles seem to be just about as good.

It's was also odd to note that the Bigby hand's don't progress directly by level. It seemed that there were things you could do with the 8th level version that you couldn't with the 9th, and things you could do with the 7th level version that you couldn't with the 8th.

I think because of this the 8th level version was the one I was considering before ruling them out.