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Great Throw
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Thanks, I found it!
Great Throw [General]
You can throw your opponents to the ground, choosing where they land and dealing damage in the process.
Prerequisites: Improved Unarmed Strike, Dexterity 13+, Dodge, Improved Trip, Combat Reflexes
Benefit: When you make a successful unarmed trip attack against a creature no larger than your own size, you can choose where the creature lands, within the area you threaten. In addition, you deal your normal unarmed strike damage to the opponent. When you use this option, however, you may not make a followup melee attack using the Improved Trip feat.
Great Throw [General]
You can throw your opponents to the ground, choosing where they land and dealing damage in the process.
Prerequisites: Improved Unarmed Strike, Dexterity 13+, Dodge, Improved Trip, Combat Reflexes
Benefit: When you make a successful unarmed trip attack against a creature no larger than your own size, you can choose where the creature lands, within the area you threaten. In addition, you deal your normal unarmed strike damage to the opponent. When you use this option, however, you may not make a followup melee attack using the Improved Trip feat.
Ranger REG
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James Wyatt's ORIENTAL ADVENTURES web page
I recommend you bookmark this for future reference. It also includes the Great Throw feat description on the bottom of the page.
http://aquela.com/roleplaying/OA/index.html
I recommend you bookmark this for future reference. It also includes the Great Throw feat description on the bottom of the page.
http://aquela.com/roleplaying/OA/index.html
Just had a thought: do you think a Great Throw, moving the victim from one side of you to the other, could provoke an attack of opportunity on the person being thrown?
He is, after all, leaving a threatened area, moving 10 feet, and all that. Seems this could be like a bull rush (involuntary movement that provokes an AoO). If so, it makes the feat rather powerful.
PS: Ok, so I just read the SRD section on Bull Rush and it doesn't mention anything about the forced movement provoking AoO's. Doesn't the PHB say something to that effect though?
He is, after all, leaving a threatened area, moving 10 feet, and all that. Seems this could be like a bull rush (involuntary movement that provokes an AoO). If so, it makes the feat rather powerful.
PS: Ok, so I just read the SRD section on Bull Rush and it doesn't mention anything about the forced movement provoking AoO's. Doesn't the PHB say something to that effect though?
CRGreathouse
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Xahn'Tyr said:
Yes, the PH says that you can provoke AoO when forcedto move via a bull rush - but the attack can go awry (25%? 50%?).
graydoom
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Wow, that would be just plain evil. Just do it with a couple of your friends standing nearby... and watch all the AoOs he provokes!
And yes, being bull rushed through threatened areas does provoke AoOs, per page 136 of the PHB. There is a 25% of hitting the other person instead of the one you were aiming for.
And yes, being bull rushed through threatened areas does provoke AoOs, per page 136 of the PHB. There is a 25% of hitting the other person instead of the one you were aiming for.
Well I just got this feat for my monk. I played with it for the first time last night and loved it. What fun.
A few of the nifty tactics I used last night:
1) I would toss an opponent to the ground behind me, landing him in front of my rogue friend who was two squares behind me. Since the opponent was now laying on the ground between us, the rogue was then able to take his held action, getting a full attack with sneak attacks at an additional +6 to hit (flank and prone opponent).
2) At one point I was standing next to a pit when a ghast charged me. I was able to toss him down into the pit.
3) I'm really looking forward to seeing how this works in conjunction with my karmic stance feat as well. If you hit me, I throw you to the ground in front of the rest of my friends and let them have at you. I can't wait.
I really like this feat. It isn't as great as some feats, but it has a few nice advantages. Basically it's Improved Improved Trip. You now get to deal your damage when you knock them down, instead of having to roll a second attack on a follow up to the normal Improved Trip. And it lets you use a touch attack to deal damage (assuming you trip successfully, of course). One of the neatest things is that it lets you maneuver the enemy around somewhat.
It helps to get your trip rolls up as high as you can though. I happen to have a pretty pumped up Strength (21). I also just had a pair of bracers of striking (from MoF) made with +2 sweeping built into them. So not only am I now a +2 weapon, but I get the +4 to trip attacks from the sweeping ability. Really sweet, but very expensive (37,310 gp). I think it was worth it though.
Anyway, I am quite happy with this feat so far.
As to the AoO thing: I don't think it should work like a bull rush. If it did, I think it would say so. The DotF feat shield bash does. This one does not. That would make it much more powerful anyway, IMO. Just be happy tossing those bad guys around and letting your friends get the +4 for prone opponents. That's good enough.
A few of the nifty tactics I used last night:
1) I would toss an opponent to the ground behind me, landing him in front of my rogue friend who was two squares behind me. Since the opponent was now laying on the ground between us, the rogue was then able to take his held action, getting a full attack with sneak attacks at an additional +6 to hit (flank and prone opponent).
2) At one point I was standing next to a pit when a ghast charged me. I was able to toss him down into the pit.
3) I'm really looking forward to seeing how this works in conjunction with my karmic stance feat as well. If you hit me, I throw you to the ground in front of the rest of my friends and let them have at you. I can't wait.
I really like this feat. It isn't as great as some feats, but it has a few nice advantages. Basically it's Improved Improved Trip. You now get to deal your damage when you knock them down, instead of having to roll a second attack on a follow up to the normal Improved Trip. And it lets you use a touch attack to deal damage (assuming you trip successfully, of course). One of the neatest things is that it lets you maneuver the enemy around somewhat.
It helps to get your trip rolls up as high as you can though. I happen to have a pretty pumped up Strength (21). I also just had a pair of bracers of striking (from MoF) made with +2 sweeping built into them. So not only am I now a +2 weapon, but I get the +4 to trip attacks from the sweeping ability. Really sweet, but very expensive (37,310 gp). I think it was worth it though.
Anyway, I am quite happy with this feat so far.
As to the AoO thing: I don't think it should work like a bull rush. If it did, I think it would say so. The DotF feat shield bash does. This one does not. That would make it much more powerful anyway, IMO. Just be happy tossing those bad guys around and letting your friends get the +4 for prone opponents. That's good enough.
I had thought that pushing someone backwards with a BullRush could cause attacks of opportunity on them (the defender). But the SRD doesn't say that. If this sort of involuntary movement does not provoke AoO's, then I suppose that it is reasonable that the involuntary movement from a Great Throw does not either. Still looks like a fun feat.
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