Green Dragon Tactics against a Deepwood Sniper

[Kai Lord]

Its a Wyrm, not a Great Wyrm. +10 BAB +5 Dex +2 Magic Arrows +1 Weapon Focus +1 Magic Weapon cast on bow (DWS ability) = +19 to hit. That should hit a Wyrm Green Dragon if he rolls high.

EDIT: He might have a tough time confirming criticals though.

 

[Victim]

Wyrm Green Dragons have an AC of 40, not counting the Mage Armor that they'll probably have. The dragon ready for combat will probably have an AC in the mid 50's. Even though archer types have crazy to-hit bonuses, they aren't that crazy.

I don't really see how the archer has a chance. Do you think a 10th level deepwood sniper could defeat a 15th level sorcerer that's fairly tough? I don't. If you can't do that, then what business do yo have messing with a Wyrm dragon that's a 15th level sorcerer plus several HP, plus 35 points of natural armor, plus better attacks than a fighter, plus amazing sensory powers better than a rogue's or ranger's.

EDIT: Looking at the archer's attacks, he's screwed, unless he has some trick in mind that prevents him from getting effective archery items. A 10th level archer should have bracers of archery for another +2 to hit and is best using GMW effects on his bow and arrows. Some kind of dex booster might be useful too. All kinds of potions would come in handy. If the archer is to have a chance, he needs all kinds of cheese.

 

[Mathew_Freeman]

I agree. If the DWS is 500' away, first and foremost there should be too much forest between him and the dragon for him to be able to see it!

Secondly, why not just polymorph into something smaller and go hunting that way? Invisibly. Possibly even silently too. Then polymorph back and <i>whammo!</i>

The archer really shouldn't stand a chance...(and the dragon could always start summoning things too... )

 

[Xarlen]

If I were the Wyrm?

Improved Invis, or Darkness (to cut down those effective shots), likely centered on a rock that it can move around so the archer doesn't just shoot at the center.

Ghostform, likely.

If there's a lake near by (the Wyrm's lair should be Under the lake anyways), that's the best place to lurk. If nothing else, Imp. Invis, polymorph into something small, Find the DWS, and stalk him. As soon as that guard goes down, *BAM*.

 

[Kai Lord]

what business do yo have messing with a Wyrm dragon that's a 15th level sorcerer plus several HP, plus 35 points of natural armor, plus better attacks than a fighter, plus amazing sensory powers better than a rogue's or ranger's.

It fits the story, and will be cool. That's why.

He'll be leading a strike force of elves that know the land into the dragon's territory and his job will be to take out the dragon. The other elves will be pure fodder, but he'll be counselled by a Silver Dragon polymorphed into an elf on how best to fight a dragon. Part of the reasons for my questions is what buffs he'll need before engaging the Green. Improved enchantments on his bow are right up there with Nondetection wards at this point.

 

[Ferret]

Plant growth, then command a plant to seek the first humanoid with a bow and kill it, hide untill the come back.

 

[Xarlen]

Part of the reasons for my questions is what buffs he'll need before engaging the Green. Improved enchantments on his bow are right up there with Nondetection wards at this point.

He better have backups, because that dragon is going to start laying down the Dispels to rip this DWS a new one.

 

[Shard O'Glase]

I just don't see how it can be done, without some large magical aid from the elves. About the only chance I see is if they loan the deepwood sniper some serious firepower. You know there great ancesers bow, some special dragon slaying arows etc. [If even one of these 3 arrows strike true it will slay the fell beast. We no longer have any archers of sufficient skill to make the shot, which is why we need you. Our warriors will bravely fight to distract the dragon while you prepare youself to make the needed shot, we realize the danger this will be placing you in but if you fail all for us will be lsot, you are our only hope. ] Hey a cheezy cliche found its way into my post how could that of happened.


If the dragon is even remotely prepared(and when aren't dragons prepared) it will have at least 3 buff spells up. It's ac will likely hit the only on a 20 range. So really for an archer of any type at level 10 to handle this is really tough to pull off.

 

[Kai Lord]

He better have backups, because that dragon is going to start laying down the Dispels to rip this DWS a new one.

I was referring to the possibility of picking up an Amulet of Nondetection. The only way the dragon could dispel that is with a targetted dispell, and he'd have to see me and no I had a magic amulet. But if that's the case, the Amulet wouldn't do me any good anyway.

 

[Kai Lord]

I just don't see how it can be done, without some large magical aid from the elves.

I just remembered one of the often neglected abilities of the Deepwood Sniper: Safe Poison Use. The problem is the Fort save for a Green Wyrm is so high none of the poisons in the DMG can hurt it. Is there any way to make poisons more potent? Or can you think of some sneaky way to weaken the dragons Fort save to make him susceptible to poison?

I also forgot about the Take Aim class ability of the DWS. If we can get the thing to sit still for a round he gets a +2 to hit which means he could hit it with a roll of 19 or 20 without any buffs on his bow (which is nonmagical).

As it stands now, we'll be travelling to the twisted forest by griffon. I might try and have some of the riders act as live bait and lure the dragon out above the trees so I can get some clean shots at it. I'm really racking my brains trying to think of ways to take the sucker down without relying on cheeseball Arrow of Instant Green Dragon Slaying shenanigans. I'm thinking Poison is the way to go, but that sucker's Fort save is quite the hurdle....