Green Dragon Tactics against a Deepwood Sniper

[Derren]

An amulet of nondetection won´t help long. The DS still need an LOS when you want to fire at the dragon. And as soon as this happens the dragon knows the position of him. And the dragon has many non magical means of detecting him. Keen Senses, Blindsight, Scent.

 

[Kai Lord]

If I'm 400' away I don't think any of those abilities will detect me, and he'd have to make one hell of a Spot check to notice me. There's a river that goes through the forest. Right now I'm thinking we somehow get the griffons to lure him above the river where I'll be crouching about 500' feet down stream, waiting for a shot.

I'm just going to need something badass to hit him with, and more than one. Sometimes its hard to make that 20 come up when you need it.

EDIT: And yes I realize how insanely difficult this will be, but if my character pulls it off without the DM pulling punches he'll be the badass of badasses. I'm going for it.

 

[Redleg06]

Pop smoke and break contact. Hire a BETTER sniper to go in and counter-snipe his ass.

 

[Kai Lord]

Pop smoke and break contact. Hire a BETTER sniper to go in and counter-snipe his ass.

There aren't any better snipers. This is on Krynn, not Forgotten Realms.

 

[mmu1]

Let's go back to something else here. How exactly do you explain being able to see anything from 400' or 500' away in a forest? That's one hell of a penalty to Spot for range...

Also, being able to negate concealment is fine, but that's just abusing the rule... 400' worth of tree trunks and branches in a typical forest isn't concealment, it's 100% cover.

 

[Kai Lord]

Let's go back to something else here. How exactly do you explain being able to see anything from 400' or 500' away in a forest? That's one hell of a penalty to Spot for range...

I assume you asked this without reading all the posts in the thread. He won't be attacking the dragon 500' through the trees. The idea is to lure the dragon into the sky, or at the very least along a riverbank where he'll be hiding 500' downstream.

 

[Xarlen]

Okay, Kai, despite our disputes, I'm going to offer a suggestion or two.

Powerful poison. Surely, at your level, you can pull some serious stuff out of your butt. Speak to the Elves, surely they can whip something up. A contact poison, perhaps, or even better, an Ingested poison, with no smell to it.

Get one of the elves, a druid or ranger, to catch you a deer. A nice Big Fat Stag. Smear the stag up with poison, a good number of the doses, instead of a single dose.

Now, get some of the elves to herd it toward the dragon.

I realize that they wouldn't agree with using an animal as bait, but then again, you're getting rid of the dragon, who is a much bigger threat to them. If the dragon eats the deer, then he's going to ingest MANY doses of the poison, which would equate to either a HUGE DC, or a lot of saving throws. Statisticly speaking, he's going to fail one of them.

 

[Shard O'Glase]

I just remembered one of the often neglected abilities of the Deepwood Sniper: Safe Poison Use. The problem is the Fort save for a Green Wyrm is so high none of the poisons in the DMG can hurt it. Is there any way to make poisons more potent? Or can you think of some sneaky way to weaken the dragons Fort save to make him susceptible to poison?

I also forgot about the Take Aim class ability of the DWS. If we can get the thing to sit still for a round he gets a +2 to hit which means he could hit it with a roll of 19 or 20 without any buffs on his bow (which is nonmagical).

As it stands now, we'll be travelling to the twisted forest by griffon. I might try and have some of the riders act as live bait and lure the dragon out above the trees so I can get some clean shots at it. I'm really racking my brains trying to think of ways to take the sucker down without relying on cheeseball Arrow of Instant Green Dragon Slaying shenanigans. I'm thinking Poison is the way to go, but that sucker's Fort save is quite the hurdle....

The vast majority of ways i can think of to lower a save gives a save. Cleric spells like bane lower saves by what 2, bestow curse drops an attribute signifigantly or applies some serious penalties(don't have book so i don't knw if they are save related penalites), about the only thing I can think of is enervation. A single shot would lower its effective level by 1d4 and therefore its saves would lower as well, a few wands of those distributed around could drop his pwoer and saves signifgantly in a round or two, before the wand wielders were wiped out.

 

[Shard O'Glase]

Okay, Kai, despite our disputes, I'm going to offer a suggestion or two.

Powerful poison. Surely, at your level, you can pull some serious stuff out of your butt. Speak to the Elves, surely they can whip something up. A contact poison, perhaps, or even better, an Ingested poison, with no smell to it.

Get one of the elves, a druid or ranger, to catch you a deer. A nice Big Fat Stag. Smear the stag up with poison, a good number of the doses, instead of a single dose.

Now, get some of the elves to herd it toward the dragon.

I realize that they wouldn't agree with using an animal as bait, but then again, you're getting rid of the dragon, who is a much bigger threat to them. If the dragon eats the deer, then he's going to ingest MANY doses of the poison, which would equate to either a HUGE DC, or a lot of saving throws. Statisticly speaking, he's going to fail one of them.

I like the diea on its face, but isn't the dragons blindisght because of multiple factors including scent. I think a green dragons nose would know, and even supposedly odorless poisons wouldn't get through. And if the scent is magically suppresed, you now have a amgical deer running aorund I think a dragon might pause a second before eating that one. On the whole poison idea though, its a green dragon, I forget but don't they have some poison related abilities perhaps inclusidng immunity to poison.(I think thier breath weapon is or was in 2e a poison cloud)

 

[Xarlen]

You're thinking 2e.

A green dragon's breath is supposed to be 'poison', represented as a Chlorine Gas, which does acid damage (Dorky if you ask me; I just say give it an acidic cloud like an Acid Fog and there you go). But dragons are not immune to poison.

And, Kai doesn't have the time to slowly feed poison to the deer, let it build an immunity over time to the poison, then feed it a Big Batch of it, and lead it toward the dragon, have the dragon Eat it, and the poison take effect in the digestion. I think he's looking for an 'Immediate Idea'.