Greybeards & Grognards 1

[khyron1144]

Somewhere in the multiverse are a bunch of old dead french guys who are gnashing teeth because your coopting "grognard" to describe someone who just plays at war on a tabletop.

If you really want to lay claim to the word you need to go to France and get yourself shot by some British dudes.

I totally love that line.

A geek is someone who bites the heads off live animals.
A nerd is someone who knows this.

True and acknowledged within the first post, kinda.

Good idea for a blog. Not sure it's going to work great as a message board series.

Probably true. The whole thing started in an ill-considered sleep-deprived moment.

Now all that said, "Greybeards and Grognards" is a great and catchy title. By all means keep it.

Thanks.

I shall.

 

[Mark CMG]

Grognard is an old campaigner. He's a wargamer or an old skool miniature's player (from whence D&D was derived). Back then, there really wasn't much of a difference.

Now, it is true that many grognards became early OD&D Diaglo style RPG players and continue to be active in RPGs. Gary Gygax, Rob Kuntz and Dave Arneson were Grognards. Grognards created the game, after all.

And grognards continued to develop after RPGs were released. A Star Fleet Battles hardcore junkie has a claim, of sorts, to the title.

Still, a grogs' credentials ultimately lie in Squad Leader, Afrika Corps, and Panzer Leader et al - they don't lie in any game played with a D20.

Greybeard for RPGs? Yes. Grognard? No. Although there are many greybeards who also happen to BE grognards. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Indeed!

Now all that said, "Greybeards and Grognards" is a great and catchy title. By all means keep it.

By all means, yes. And as long as the definitions aren't inappropriately applied, he won't have to have this same silly debate each time a true grognard comes across his blog and wants to set him straight.

 

[Mark CMG]

This is the English language, words mean whatever popular culture wants them to mean, (. . .)

Heh. Popular culture. Are you stretching that definition as well?

If you really want to lay claim to the word you need to go to France and get yourself shot by some British dudes.

Not without a time machine.

 

[Philotomy Jurament]

Guess I'm not a grognard, then. I started with three-book OD&D, but think the newest stuff is far better than anything that came before.

You're a confused grognard.

I guess I'm a grognard either way: I'm a wargamer and an old-school hand at RPGs that tends to prefer the older systems, most of the time.

 

[Jeremy757]

Not without a time machine.

You could try a football riot.

 

[Keeper of Secrets]

Greybeards. Grognards. What you really need to do is dedicate a thread to fatbeards. Now, that is where its at!

 

[thedungeondelver]

Greybeards. Grognards. What you really need to do is dedicate a thread to fatbeards. Now, that is where its at!

*raises hand* Fatbeard ahoy!

 

[The Shaman]

Grognard is an old campaigner. He's a wargamer or an old skool miniature's player (from whence D&D was derived). Back then, there really wasn't much of a difference.

Now, it is true that many grognards became early OD&D Diaglo style RPG players and continue to be active in RPGs. Gary Gygax, Rob Kuntz and Dave Arneson were Grognards. Grognards created the game, after all.

And grognards continued to develop after RPGs were released. A Star Fleet Battles hardcore junkie has a claim, of sorts, to the title.

Still, a grogs' credentials ultimately lie in Squad Leader, Afrika Corps, and Panzer Leader et al - they don't lie in any game played with a D20.

Steel_Wind's got it right.

The Shaman <----- G4L

 

[diaglo]

Grognards are wargamers, only. Six-sided dice, no others. Little bits of cardboard, or maybe metal minis to represent entire divisions.

I get so sick of kids today bastardizing the language.

quoted for truth.

diaglo "i manned a cannon with Napolean" Ooi

 

[James McMurray]

The main topic of the article was Geek Pride, right? It's hard to tell from all these replies.