Chaosmancer
Legend
The Blue Goblins are on the Shattered Obelisk.
Ah, I still haven't read through that yet
The Blue Goblins are on the Shattered Obelisk.
Nah
What I am saying is that a player will make a Dragonborn in Greyhawk and have characters that are not tied and have bonds to the setting. And there are drawbacks to that.
Of course I have an idea what the flavor or integrity of the Greyhawk is, I've been using the setting forever. Good grief, I was being sarcastic to show the ridiculousness having defend such begin simple concept. I am not going to write a complete lore guide, those already exist. Just read one if you want. Again for the zillion time, you can add stuff to GH and still explain it in away the makes sense with the setting. Not sure I will ever understand why this is a bad thing, and not a good one. You get the setting and the new stuff both.So... you have no idea what the flavor or integrity of the Greyhawk setting even are? Once confronted with defending your position beyond "I want the same things we had in '83?" you have nothing to say except to start acting like we are bullying you?
See, my problem is that adding things "in a really good way" can mean anything from "I want some explanations that work with the setting" to "No no, nothing you say is good, there is no good way, I'm just saying that so it doesn't seem like I am against any changes what so ever". And I can't tell which you mean until we engage in actual discussion of why it is so difficult to have the things in the PHB in the setting.
Sure, come up with a cool way to introduce Dragonborn... they could be from a lost valley, or uncharted land where a ship has gone astray and landed. Any way to introduce a new entity into the setting without breaking the world. As others have noted the setting is very forgiving to funky and weird.
It doesn't have to be DB were always in every town and every place because we say so. Some thought could be put into it and make it dare I say, cool... or if you don't like DB or whatever avoidable in your home game. But this seems to be too extreme of a though process, because it holds some preservation and respect for the original setting, and I am learning that is thought of as a bad thing for reasons.
There is... I am not going to write a lore and world setting essay here. There are plenty of books out there you can look over at your leisure that cover both settings. Your opinion of the GH setting and mine are different. I find much more value in it then you do. That's ok, for example, I don't love FR and others do.You do realize the irony of complaining about absurd absolutes and then in the next setting talking about how lore is the "story and reason for the world" and how nothing else matters, right?
Lore is important. I agree. But, how that lore is presented is how you get the different feelings of setting because it's all D&D. There is a huge amount of overlap between the settings, simply because they all draw on the same well - the Monster Manual for one. How that lore is presented though is what differentiates Greyhawk from other settings. The lore itself? It's not like there's much actually unique to Greyhawk. Not after decades of being mined by other settings.
I mean, what separates the Free City of Greyhawk from Waterdeep? They are far more similar than different. But, how those differences are presented is the core of the setting.
This is a bit of a tangent to the Greyhawk stuff, but it's not like we don't digress every now and then.I bought the Dark Sun set on release, and I remember the planar assumption being it was cut off. This was further reinforced in the early novels. So your definitley correct about that assumption in the rules.
It would happen in TherosWhy will that happen in Greyhawk, but not Theros? Or Strixhaven? Or any other setting
Since their introduction in 3e, Warforged are the go to example for entitled players ruining DM's carefully curated settings and a sign of everything wrong with D&D.Did the Warforged make it into the PHB without me noticing? I've run a few 5E campaigns, and I've never had anyone try to play a Warforged.
Sorry, it's not elitist to point out that GH is not great literature. It's a hodgepodge setting for FRPGing.That attitude is condescending and elitist. You don't get to decide that anything is or isn't "great literature" and therefore can be manipulated and rewritten with impunity, or at least without complaint. None of us are that important.