Gygax Magazine? [UPDATE 3 - Electric Boogaloo]

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
And in the initial confusion nobody even knew that the Gygax guys had anything to do with it.
That's something a lot of people seem to be losing sight of - applying restrospective knowledge in hindsight. All we had at first was "Gygax Magazine from TSR - Give Us Your Email Addy!" and scepticism was sensible position to take. Most everybody was pleased to find out the Gygaxes were involved.

Those who are suggesting someone accused the Gygax boys of a scam are not paying attention. The most common consensus is "I'm glad to hear it wasn't somebody abusing the Gygax's good name as it looked at first that it might be; I'll wait see what this magazine is like".
 
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DMofDoom

Visitor
Comment about trolls was not directed at all posters, though could have been worded better, was/is aimed at then-future replies. And maybe towards snarky redirective arguments, especially citing things like the meta layout of a post (1/2 j/k).
Well, you're certainly angrier than any participant in this thread, or any of the involved parties, I'll give you that much. More so than the issue might warrant, IMO, but your emotions are your emotions, I guess. And you certainly have more of a handle on the italic and bold and underline tags than anyone else, so I'll congratulate you on that (slacking a little on the CAPS though).

However - and this is your first post, I see - please refrain from insulting other EN World members. If you're unclear as to the rules of the site, you can find them here. This includes calling other members "trolls" and phrases like "I couldn't give a cup of piss about your opinions". Any questions abut that, feel free to email me.
Use of mod voice to belittle my opinion is fair, as you are the owner, (cred given for not auto-deleting thing you dislike though)
My anger was not directed (though may have spilled over a bit) at you or those skeptical of a strange email notification website.


What I found angering was things like this: (emphasis added)
Meh.

As an outside observer and potential consumer, I find the attempt to grab customers by playing on an inferred relationship using the names "Gygax" and "TSR" to be misleading and offensive. I'll pass, thanks.

They did get me to post, though, so score one for publicity.
I wonder how people would feel if WotC had kept the TSR name, hired luke as a consultant and put out the exact same mag.... money grab would be the nicest thing anyone would say.

I feel like this is still a scam, and hope they change the name...
And to a much lesser extent those that seem to think those assertions do not exist, and assume everything is in response to their own posts like: (again emphasis added)
That's something a lot of people seem to be losing sight of - applying restrospective knowledge in hindsight. All we had at first was "Gygax Magazine from TSR - Give Us Your Email Addy!" and scepticism was sensible position to take. Most everybody was pleased to find out the Gygaxes were involved.

Those who are suggesting someone accused the Gygax boys of a scam are not paying attention. The most common consensus is "I'm glad to hear it wasn't somebody abusing the Gygax's good name as it looked at first that it might be; I'll wait see what this magazine is like".
In way of a communications disconnect on my part I suppose for not quoting these (2nd and 3rd) to begin with.

I feel it is very important also to point out that the plural form of Gygax, is Gygaxi.

Gail also has rights here. WotC might have something to say. And in the initial confusion nobody even knew that the Gygax guys had anything to do with it. The situation wasn't and isn't as simple as you seem to assume.
Yes she has rights, thats between them though isn't it? I suppose idle speculation is harmless though perhaps pointless IMHO. As to the initial confusion: the 2nd and 3rd quotes are from 15 pages into the thread. Well after their participation was established.
 
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Lanefan

Victoria Rules
Lawyer here but don't know IP stuff. Didnt all the rights etc owned by TSR get sold to WotC. so I don't understand how someone can claim to copyright the words TSR and link them to OSR stuff?
Didn't someone up-thread note that (for whatever reason) WotC has in effect abandoned the TSR trademark, or something like that?

'Cause if they have abandoned it, it sounds like anyone who wants it can step in and take it; and in this instance someone has.

Lan-"for it is the stuff of lawyers, and thus confusing"-efan
 

Nellisir

Adventurer
my bad, 14 pages in, not 15
Dude, trust me, you're really going to need to chill out a bit. Take a deep breath, relax, and read a different thread for awhile or something. Watch something soothing. And then give people the benefit of the doubt.

Having your first post be an angry one, and calling out Morrus on your second post...it's not a good way to win friends and impress people.

I'm not a moderator, just some friendly advice.
 

DMofDoom

Visitor
That bit was humour. I do think it sounds cooler though. Just try using it more. English is a living language after all... but ok, I'll go chill. or actually go do homework due tonight.
 

Nellisir

Adventurer
That bit was humour. I do think it sounds cooler though. Just try using it more. English is a living language after all... but ok, I'll go chill. or actually go do homework due tonight.
:confused:
That...totally did not read as humor. Glad to hear it, though! :)

And yeah, go do your homework and I'll do mine. (Caernarfon Castle as a sustainable structure. Upside: Caernarfon Castle and King Edward "Longshanks" I. Downside: due midday tomorrow.)
 

Leif

Adventurer
Lawyer here but don't know IP stuff. Didnt all the rights etc owned by TSR get sold to WotC. so I don't understand how someone can claim to copyright the words TSR and link them to OSR stuff?

Mike
Lawyer here, too, but no IP specialist. Still, let me take a stab at it:

The mark/name "TSR" was abandoned by Wizards of the Coast, UNLESS they took steps to maintain their legal ownership of the mark before they chose not to use it. When WotC made the active business decision to no longer use that mark in their business, if it was abandoned and not maintained by them, then the clock began to tick until the time when it could again be used in the RPG field without doing damage to the IP purchased by WotC. I'm not sure what the specific period is here, or even if there is a certain period under the applicable copyright law, but my sense is that the more time has passed since the abandonment of the mark, the less damage can be claimed, let alone proved, because of any supposed infringement. I do know that a third party would be in a better position to revive the TSR mark than would someone who had some interest in the company from before, because that person's claimed rights to the mark were specifically subject to the sale to WotC.
 

Knightfall

World of Kulan DM
Just as an aside, WotC didn't just abandon the TSR Trademark. As noted on the TSR Games and Gygax Magazine thread on The Piazza, WotC has also let the Mystara Trademark lapse.

Now, I'm not sure what another RPG company (that chose to claim it) could do with the Mystara Trademark (I'm not even sure if it could be claimed), but I find it fascinating that WotC didn't renew it.
 

falcarrion

Visitor
To me it doesn't matter what the name is. what matters to me is who is behind it. and they have my confidence. I just hope the Name problem is resolve peacfully. The gaming industry doesn't need a legal battle but a joining of forces to stregthen the industry.
 

Leif

Adventurer
To me it doesn't matter what the name is. what matters to me is who is behind it. and they have my confidence. I just hope the Name problem is resolve peacfully. The gaming industry doesn't need a legal battle but a joining of forces to stregthen the industry.
Agreed!
 

Lou

Explorer
would the continued use of the www.tsr.com domain count here?
Under other circumstances, the answer would clearly be YES.

Here, I would argue that with 11 different registered marks for "TSR", no one company has a clear claim to the TSR.com domain that would outweigh the continued use by WotC. At the same time, WotC gave up the use of the TSR mark while continuing to use the TSR.com domain as a redirect only.
 

Leif

Adventurer
Under other circumstances, the answer would clearly be YES.

Here, I would argue that with 11 different registered marks for "TSR", no one company has a clear claim to the TSR.com domain that would outweigh the continued use by WotC. At the same time, WotC gave up the use of the TSR mark while continuing to use the TSR.com domain as a redirect only.
But, Bro, continued use of the mark is not the same as continuing legal protection of the mark, except in the most general, common law fashion, which in this case would probably be adequate. I mean, who in his right mind would start an rpg company with the name TSR and think that he was writing upon a clean slate?
 

darjr

I crit!
Great interview! Lots to think about and digest. I hope it works out for them. I know I can't wait to read the magazine.
 

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