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WizarDru
Adventurer
Great work, Joe. The only thing I'd change would be to expand the list of industry professionals to include folks like Anthony Valterra and Sean K Reynolds, as well as mention that ENWorld is host to many of the d20 movements best and brightest, such as yourself, Ben Durbin and a host of others...as well as folks who've contributed to Dragon itself.
Darth Shoju
First Post
Works for me. I'll sign my name onto said letter Joe. Good Work!
jgbrowning
Hero
This letter is from the entire ENworld community in response to Jeffrey J Bickler's letter in issue 311.
Mr. Bickler's visit to our forums seems to have been an unfortunate one. Unlike his portrayal of a bunch of message board geeks who rip apart games they don’t actually play, ENworld is actually populated by the largest community of Dungeons and Dragons players on the Internet. Our posting members include such industry standards as, Monte Cook, Chris Pramas, Sean K. Reynolds, Gary Gygax, Matthew Sprange, John Nephew, Clark Peterson, Anthony Valterra, and Dragon’s own Erik Mona as well as some of the best new industry professionals, like Ben Durbin, Joseph Browning, and Suzi Yee. A slew of Dragon's contributing authors also post everyday at ENworld.
The reason why we have such an industry presence is because the people at ENworld care deeply about the game. We spend hours discussing minute parts of the game, have whole forums dedicated to rules questions and house rules as well forums for other d20 games. The people who make the books, magazines, and PDFs we love to praise, as well as rip apart, understand that the feedback created by ENworld helps propel the industry, in general, forward.
In order too not only criticize, but also to provide praise, ENworld created the Ennies award ceremony. These awards praise the best of the industry with a focus on d20 material. Although the awards are only three years old, and undergoing constant peer-driven procedural consideration, they are rapidly becoming the benchmark awards for d20 products. Presented every year at Gen Con, they are attended by many of the most influencial people in the business.
Mr. Bickler’s portrayal of ENworld as negative is far from the truth, for it is one of the most positive things in this industry: a source of direct, unadulterated feedback to the game manufacturers. This can lead to harsh criticism or to lavish praise (often at the same time, for gamers are a mixed bunch with different likes and dislikes), but most of all, it lets the game players speak directly to the game producers which only benefits everyone involved.
The ENworld community.
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Ok, here's the update. I'm sure it could still be improved, so I'm open to feedback. I know I've left people off. In particular, I'd like to add a few more names to the new industy professionals. (hadda add suzi's name, if i didn't she'd kill me
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updates: Added a few more names per Wizarddru. Added PDFs to the list of books and magazines. Added last sentance in Ennies award paragraph.
any other suggestions?
joe b.
Mr. Bickler's visit to our forums seems to have been an unfortunate one. Unlike his portrayal of a bunch of message board geeks who rip apart games they don’t actually play, ENworld is actually populated by the largest community of Dungeons and Dragons players on the Internet. Our posting members include such industry standards as, Monte Cook, Chris Pramas, Sean K. Reynolds, Gary Gygax, Matthew Sprange, John Nephew, Clark Peterson, Anthony Valterra, and Dragon’s own Erik Mona as well as some of the best new industry professionals, like Ben Durbin, Joseph Browning, and Suzi Yee. A slew of Dragon's contributing authors also post everyday at ENworld.
The reason why we have such an industry presence is because the people at ENworld care deeply about the game. We spend hours discussing minute parts of the game, have whole forums dedicated to rules questions and house rules as well forums for other d20 games. The people who make the books, magazines, and PDFs we love to praise, as well as rip apart, understand that the feedback created by ENworld helps propel the industry, in general, forward.
In order too not only criticize, but also to provide praise, ENworld created the Ennies award ceremony. These awards praise the best of the industry with a focus on d20 material. Although the awards are only three years old, and undergoing constant peer-driven procedural consideration, they are rapidly becoming the benchmark awards for d20 products. Presented every year at Gen Con, they are attended by many of the most influencial people in the business.
Mr. Bickler’s portrayal of ENworld as negative is far from the truth, for it is one of the most positive things in this industry: a source of direct, unadulterated feedback to the game manufacturers. This can lead to harsh criticism or to lavish praise (often at the same time, for gamers are a mixed bunch with different likes and dislikes), but most of all, it lets the game players speak directly to the game producers which only benefits everyone involved.
The ENworld community.
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Ok, here's the update. I'm sure it could still be improved, so I'm open to feedback. I know I've left people off. In particular, I'd like to add a few more names to the new industy professionals. (hadda add suzi's name, if i didn't she'd kill me
)updates: Added a few more names per Wizarddru. Added PDFs to the list of books and magazines. Added last sentance in Ennies award paragraph.
any other suggestions?
joe b.
BigFreekinGoblinoid
First Post
Great letter, Joe!
My only suggestion would be to more directly refute the accusation about our general negativity of Dragon. Also, the fact is that our ongoing discussions of the magazine creates sales for Dragon, by prompting casual buyers to be alerted to the specifics of the current mag.
But im sure you could convey these sentiments much more succinctly than I...
My only suggestion would be to more directly refute the accusation about our general negativity of Dragon. Also, the fact is that our ongoing discussions of the magazine creates sales for Dragon, by prompting casual buyers to be alerted to the specifics of the current mag.
But im sure you could convey these sentiments much more succinctly than I...
BigFreekinGoblinoid
First Post
WizarDru said:
Also, many contributing authors to Dragon are regular posters here - Mouseferatu and Ashy off the top of my head...
WizarDru
Adventurer
BigFreekinGoblinoid said:
I probably didn't convey that terribly well, but that was what I was driving at....the fact that we have quite a few folks at ENWorld who have written for Dragon. And Joe, make sure you and Suzi stay on that list. You might have been able to modest your way off before the ENnies, but not now.
I don't think a point by point refute is necessary. Joe's letter expresses our sentiment without the need to incite argument. I don't know that we need a 'Jane, you ignorant *ahem*"...well, you get the idea.
jgbrowning
Hero
BigFreekinGoblinoid said:
Hate to display my ignorance, but what are mouse's and ashy's real names. I think mouse is Ari Marmell (sp?) but i don't know ashy's at all. I'd gladly like to add a few more.....
joe b.
Psion
Adventurer
Darin Drader (sp?) is another Dragon contributer and industry writer that posts here.
The only other thing I'd add is a stern refutation of the notion that people who post here don't actually play. As if!
I subscribe too. If I wasn't disappointed at what I consider money not as well spent as it was a few years ago, I would not be so eager to criticize!
The only other thing I'd add is a stern refutation of the notion that people who post here don't actually play. As if!
I subscribe too. If I wasn't disappointed at what I consider money not as well spent as it was a few years ago, I would not be so eager to criticize!
