Half Ogre level adj. increase

[Vorith]

okay the half ogre is now a +2 level adj. and it used to be +1...so what are your thoughts? Is it too much or still not enough(the +2 that is)? I'll try to list what they get (no book on hand)

large (10' reach -1 ac - attack and so on)
+6 str -2 dex +4 con -2 int -2 cha
darkvision 60'

Uh...I'm not sure if I got it all right, if somebody has either book (Savage Species or Races of Destiny) with them go ahead and correct me (they get the same stuff in both books)

I just want to know what you guys/girls think

 

[shilsen]

Looks fine for a +2 to me, with the caveat that (as with most LA creatures) it's fine for the type of class which benefits from such stats and quite poor for those which don't, e.g. spellcasters.

 

[The Cardinal]

well, my players have build a few PCs for our upcoming WLD campaign using the half-ogre from Savage Species - and I sure will not force the extra level adjustment upon them, just because WotC changed their collective mind again.
IMHO "Large" alone is such a disadvantage in most campaigns that +1 ECL is more than enough for this race. +2 would mean that you'll lose extra BAB and HD - essential for a fighter class. "Large" and Dex-2 results in lousy AC anyway - and large armor doesn't exactly grow on trees...

 

[Thanee]

I think large (or small for that matter) has enough intrinsic advantages and disadvantages to be roughly balanced by itself.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Diirk]

Human Fighter 3
str 16, dex 14, con 14, int 10, wis 10, cha 10 (just as an example.. 28 point buy is pretty common)
27 hp, +6 attack (+3 BAB, +3 str) Spiked chain for 2d4+4 damage. 5-10ft reach.

Half Ogre Fighter 2 (+1 LA)
str 22, dex 12, con 18, int 8, wis 10, cha 8
23 hp, +7 attack (+2 BAB, +6 str, -1 size) Spiked chain for 2d4+9 damage. 5-20ft reach.

Half Ogre Fighter 1 (+2 LA)
str 22, dex 12, con 18, int 8, wis 10, cha 8
14 hp, +6 attack (+1 BAB, +6 str, -1 size) Spiked chain for 2d4+9 damage, 5-20 ft reach.

Note the human has 2 extra feats, 2 more ac (depending on armour used), more skill points etc etc. However just at a quick eyeball +2 LA certainly looks alot more balanced from a combat perspective. Although at lower levels the half ogre has alot less hp, he'll overtake the human in about 6 levels.

 

[kmdietri]

Sorry for the hi-jack but can you guys tell me when/where they changed it to +2

 

[kayn99]

In addition

In SS, the half Orge also has +4 natural Armor on top of all of the stuff listed above it. I think it should be a +2 Ecl. It gives a huge advantages to a fighter or even a Barbarian who rages.

 

[Thanee]

Races of Destiny?

Bye
Thanee

 

[Vorith]

Races of Destiny?

Bye
Thanee

you're right!........................oh yeah and I forgot to mention +4 nat. armor

 

[Darkness]

The half-ogre's stats haven't been changed significantly, if at all, right?