Harassment At PaizoCon 2017

In our post-Harvey Weinstein world, more and more people in the various entertainment industries are coming forward with allegations of abuse and harassment, both sexual and psychological. The tabletop gaming industry isn't isolated from this wave of revelation as incidents surface, and will likely continue to surface about professionals, and fans, within the gaming communities.

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In our post-Harvey Weinstein world, more and more people in the various entertainment industries are coming forward with allegations of abuse and harassment, both sexual and psychological. The tabletop gaming industry isn't isolated from this wave of revelation as incidents surface, and will likely continue to surface about professionals, and fans, within the gaming communities.


Stories of harassment within tabletop gaming, at conventions and stores, and even in local gaming groups are nothing new. That is probably the saddest fact of this whole thing: that despite stories being brought to light, not only does harassment continue to happen but the existence of it continues to be denied by some. This denial is one of the factors that allows abuse and harassment to continue within tabletop RPGs.

Allegations of improper behavior at the 2017 PaizoCon by Frog God Games CEO Bill Webb were brought to life by Pathfinder content creator Robert Brookes. Brookes was attending PaizoCon and has written for Paizo and Legendary Games, among others. In an incident involving alcohol, Webb allegedly sexually harassed another guest at the convention and when a staffer attempted to intervene and injury occurred with the staffer.

In a thread about harassment and abuse on gaming forum RPGNet, Frog God Games partner Matt Finch, creator of the Swords & Wizardry retroclone, confirmed that the incident with Webb occurred, and revealed some details about an internal investigation that the partners of Frog God Games conducted into the incident:

"I am Matt Finch, the partner of Frog God Games appointed by the partners to investigate a sexual harassment complaint filed against Mr. Webb at PaizoCon 2017. Mr. Webb was not consulted by the partners on this decision. Due to recent accusations made on Twitter by a third party, I will outline the aspects of the situation to the extent that they do not compromise the confidentiality of the person who filed the report, I will describe the nature of our internal investigation, and will also address the recently-raised tweets by Robert Brookes on his twitter feed. This report will not necessarily be updated; it stands for itself at the time of posting, based on the knowledge I currently have.

"First, it is correct that a complaint was filed with Paizo at PaizoCon against Bill. I was made aware of this by phone on the day it happened (I was not present at the convention). Frog God is aware of the identity of the person who made the complaint, because they spoke to three of our partners at the convention after the event. We have not been invited to share that person’s identity, and although we are not under legal obligation to protect that confidentiality we have elected to respect that person’s desire not to have the event brought into the spotlight.

"Gathering information in a situation like this is necessarily limited due to Paizo’s own confidentiality obligations. To assemble information, I spoke to the three partners who had talked with the person who filed the complaint, and obtained their accounts of what they were told. Secondhand accounts are not perfect, and I had to weigh that against the fact that an attorney making direct contact with someone who has filed such a report can be seen as a threat or intimidation, and weighing those two issues, I chose to rely on a comparison of the conversations between the individual and our partners, plus Paizo’s own resolution of the matter at the time, plus a necessarily-cautious review of Bill’s account. There has been contact between the person who filed the complaint and Frog God partners since the event, and I will provide a screenshot of one such communication with the name redacted. I believe the screenshot provides a great deal of clarification.

"Reducing the event to a level that will maintain confidentiality, my understanding based on my investigation was that Bill Webb took an action and engaged in speech that could be construed as a sexual advance or as gender-dismissive.

"In consequence of this finding, I and another senior partner of the company had a meeting with Mr. Webb about expectations, standards of behavior, and future protocol. We addressed that one’s lack of bad intentions does not excuse problematic behavior.

"Some people have asked that Mr. Webb acknowledge and apologize for the situation. Bill does deeply regret his actions, and understands that they were inappropriate and upsetting. I have told Mr. Webb not to contact the person directly, for the same reason that I have not done so myself: the potential for that contact to appear intimidating or threatening. However, at whatever time the person lets us know that a direct apology from Mr. Webb would be welcomed, that apology will be immediately forthcoming. Mr. Webb is also under instruction not to discuss this matter in public, in case peripheral details were to be inadvertently disclosed that might allow the identification of the person by another party. This is also the reason we chose to have me, as the investigating partner, write the public report, given that a report has become necessary in response to a recent description of the event on Twitter."


We reached out to Webb for comment upon this incident, and we were directed to the RPGNet post by Finch. This is the company's official statement on what happened at PaizoCon. Whether or not there will be further repercussions within Frog God Games due to this incident and Webb's actions remain to be seen.

Paizo CEO Lisa Stevens has released an official statement on the incident on the Paizo forums. When EN World reached out to Paizo for official comment, we were directed to this statement:

"My name is Lisa Stevens and I am the CEO and owner of Paizo Inc. Events of the past few weeks have compelled me to make this statement.

"My company will never condone any sexual harassment or assault against any of our employees, male or female. We will never condone any sexual harassment or assault against any of our customers on paizo.com or at sanctioned organized play activities. Whenever I hear any allegations of sexual harassment or assault related to Paizo’s activities, I always immediately drop whatever I'm doing and I make getting to the bottom of these issues my top priority. We have banned people from paizo.com. We have banned people from participating in our organized play activities. We have stopped doing business with individuals. And we will continue to do so.
"As a woman and a survivor of sexual harassment, sexual assault, and rape, I know what it is like to be on the receiving end of these attacks. I know what it is like to feel the shame, the terror, how it changes your life forever. And because of this, I will never stand for my company to condone this behavior.

"Paizo’s employees are encouraged to come forward with any allegations of sexual harassment or assault and let a manager know as soon as possible. If criminal activities have taken place, they are encouraged to report it to the police and take legal action against the perpetrator. We have asked our employees to not engage in explosive and angry dialogue on paizo.com. We want our website to be a place where our customers feel safe and among friends. If there is problem on paizo.com, then our community team will handle it and, where appropriate, ban the perpetrator.

"In closing, you have my word that I have zero tolerance for sexual harassment and assault, and the same is true of Paizo. Please be aware that we treat these issues with tremendous sensitivity, and only disclose the specifics and resolutions of any such incidents on a need-to-know basis, even within Paizo or with our legal counsel. We do not and will not discuss these matters publicly. Every instance that I am aware of has been thoroughly investigated, and appropriate actions have been taken or are in the process of being taken. You have my word on this."


Unrelated to the PaizoCon incident, Brookes also revealed an incident of harassment within the Pathfinder Society organized play program. When a volunteer staffer reported this incident, their supervisor informed them that an NDA they had signed to be part of the program would not allow her to discuss this incident. Paizo has not officially commented on this incident or commented on whether or not there is an investigation into it.

If tabletop role-playing games are truly going to be an inclusive, we have to be better about not just reporting incidents of abuse and harassment but being dedicated to creating spaces that are safe and free of harassment of our fellow gamers. We also need to shine a spotlight onto the incidents of harassment that occur, it is the responsibility of journalists, bloggers and gamers to do this and let people know that their actions will come to light and that they will be held responsible. It is also important to not just talk about those parts of the gaming communities that we don't agree with, but to also bring to light the improper actions of those companies and communities with whom we do agree, because unless every act of harassment is revealed there will be no change within our communities.

Remember that EN World is an inclusive community.
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pemerton

Legend
you should never automatically believe the words of one person and based on those words alone condemn another person.
I don't know what the word "automatically" means here. But sometimes people say true things, and should be believed.

you are comparing to very black and white crimes to a very grey crime.
The conduct this thread is about isn't "grey". Nor is it disputed, except by a few posters who seem not to believe that it took place, because . . . ?

You have a choice. You can be a LIAR or you can be a RAPE VICTIM.

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I would rather know someone has to get over the shame and embarrassment of having lied than have them having to potentially go through years of therapy and inability to have normal relationships because they were the victim of a rape.
This has to be the most disingenous nonsense I've ever read on this site.

When someone says she's been harassed, I offer sympathy. But you expect me to believe that you say "I hope you're lying, because that would be easier for you to cope with".
 

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Hussar

Legend
I think I might be repeating myself here, but, why is this even a discussion?

Douchebag acts like a douchebag in front of multiple witnesses and gets into an altercation over it. No one is contradicting that. Everyone agrees that douchebag was being a douchebag.

This is about as open and shut as it gets. This isn't "he said/she said". It's not in question AT ALL.

Bringing up broader issues like the Duke Lacrosse Team or other issues is so far besides the point as to be in a different Zip code. Yes, it is possible for someone to fabricate false accusations. That's 100% true. But, also 100% beside the point here.

Why is that so hard to understand?
 

Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
Staff member
Supporter
Just because what?

How about innocent until proven guilty? Is that a good enough reason. In this specific situation enough information is out there to make a pretty intelligent decision but that is not every situation.

If Person A says he/she was assaulted the automatic respond should NEVER be to instantly believe that person and start calling Person B a rapist.

My own PERSONAL opinion is that any time I hear about a sexual assault my "hope" is that the victim is lying. Because I automatically side with the attacker? No, not at all, because it is 1000% a much less horrible thing to find out someone was a liar as opposed to find out someone truly was sexually assaulted.

While I personally hope all allegations of criminal activity are false, the reality is that the average rate of false reporting is between 2-8% for sexual assaults (depending on how the crime are defined by the group analyzing the data) and @2% for all crimes in general.

So while the maxim AND the law are "innocent until proven guilty" experience shows us that usually, when someone is brave enough to come forward and report a crime, they're being honest.
 

Caliban

Rules Monkey
I'M EDGY! I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYONE THINKS, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW THAT!!! ALSO, MY OPINION IS IMPORTANT!!!

For someone who doesn't care what we think, you sure spent a lot of text making sure we know that. :hmm:

But, just so I'm clear on this bit - you don't care about anyone's opinion, but you expect us to care about yours.

The message board and the people who post on it don't matter - you are just using it for your own entertainment purposes, without any consideration for anyone's feelings but your own.

You claim you aren't a sociopath, but admit the only thing keeping you from behaving worse is the law the forum rules.

With such sterling qualities, it is truly a mystery that you choose to empathize with the aggressor rather than the target of harassment.
 

Guang

Explorer
So, no 'innocent until proven guilty' has nothing to do with it, because this isn't a court.

It is a court, though, or has become one. We have judges, the prosecution, the defense, sentencing, and punishment. We even have reporters, and people appealing to this court from the lower civil courts. The court of public opinion.
 

Caliban

Rules Monkey
It is a court, though, or has become one. We have judges, the prosecution, the defense, sentencing, and punishment. We even have reporters, and people appealing to this court from the lower civil courts. The court of public opinion.

No, it really isn't. The matter has already been dealt with by the concerned parties. Just because a few people here think more should be done, and others think less should have been done, doesn't actually change what has been done.

We may affect future actions by the company that employed the aggressor (or how other companies handle such incidents), since public perception matters, but nothing we say here will change what has already happened.
 
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Libramarian

Adventurer
As someone who worked (briefly) in the American criminal justice system, I can say that there's a distinct difference in the way victims of sex crimes are treated vs other crimes. There's a certain reservoir of people whose default reaction is to blame the victim that just isn't present with other crimes.

This isn't the same as our maxim, "Innocent until proven guilty." This is "even if it happened, it's not really the perp's fault."

Well I think that reflects the asymmetry in how sex crimes are defined and prosecuted vs other violent crimes. Assault (in most jurisdictions) requires an intent to physically hurt someone; sexual assault does not. The severity of a sex crime seems to be graded according to how close it came to sexual consummation, not how much it actually hurt the victim.

I think it makes sense that people find a sexually motivated mens rea to be somewhat more sympathetic and relatable than the mens rea of someone who wanted to physically hurt another. At least for those who don't think there is anything inherently evil or sinful about sexual desire.

What's very unlikely is that there is a misogynistic bias to believe the man over the woman in a dispute. A large body of evidence exists showing that in fact we are biased to consider women more trustworthy than men (among many other positive attributes).

Well, no, because it's not a court of law.

I think we should aspire to be more like a court of law when judging the actions of others.

If we all just want to have a good old-fashioned moral panic in an echo chamber, we can do that in a thread about harassment in gaming in general, not in one about a specific incident with specific accusations.
 

Caliban

Rules Monkey
Well I think that reflects the asymmetry in how sex crimes are defined and prosecuted vs other violent crimes. Assault (in most jurisdictions) requires an intent to physically hurt someone; sexual assault does not. The severity of a sex crime seems to be graded according to how close it came to sexual consummation, not how much it actually hurt the victim.

So, you think raping someone would be OK if you don't "actually" hurt them? Simply amazing.

Dude, give it up. You've already shown your hand.

In a matter where none of the major facts are in question, you are still trying to cloud the issue and create doubt where none exists by bringing in other incidents that are less clear cut.
 

Libramarian

Adventurer
I think I might be repeating myself here, but, why is this even a discussion?

Douchebag acts like a douchebag in front of multiple witnesses and gets into an altercation over it. No one is contradicting that. Everyone agrees that douchebag was being a douchebag.

No, again there is a disagreement about what sort of harassment occurred, and especially about whether there was actually an altercation that injured a Paizo staff member.

Brookes on Twitter says there was. Frog God Games conducts an internal investigation that includes a conversation with Hensley and says there was not. I think this is important.

This is a possible scenario that comports with Hensley's account but not Brookes':
Bill Webb, while inebriated, made a flirtatious remark to Hensley. She rebuffed him and left. He followed her to apologize but was stopped by Paizo staff who asked him to leave her alone. He did. Hensley filed a harassment complaint.

If this is what happened, I'd appreciate it if he made a personal statement apologizing for his behavior, and ideally making a commitment to avoid alcohol at cons in the future, but I wouldn't think he should suffer life-changing professional repercussions.

This is a different possible scenario that seems more in line with Brookes' description:
Bill Webb, while inebriated, made a flirtatious remark to Hensley. She asked him to stop but he continued to harass her. She called for help as Webb became more agitated and violent. A Paizo staff member attempted to step between Webb and Hensley. Webb twisted his arm until he heard the bones snap and bodyslammed him through a table. He then spent the rest of the night searching for Hensley through the hotel like Jack Torrance in The Shining. Hensley filed a harassment complaint.

If that's what happened, I totally would support a boycott of FGG products until he's ousted from the company.
 


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