Harassment At PaizoCon 2017

In our post-Harvey Weinstein world, more and more people in the various entertainment industries are coming forward with allegations of abuse and harassment, both sexual and psychological. The tabletop gaming industry isn't isolated from this wave of revelation as incidents surface, and will likely continue to surface about professionals, and fans, within the gaming communities.

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In our post-Harvey Weinstein world, more and more people in the various entertainment industries are coming forward with allegations of abuse and harassment, both sexual and psychological. The tabletop gaming industry isn't isolated from this wave of revelation as incidents surface, and will likely continue to surface about professionals, and fans, within the gaming communities.


Stories of harassment within tabletop gaming, at conventions and stores, and even in local gaming groups are nothing new. That is probably the saddest fact of this whole thing: that despite stories being brought to light, not only does harassment continue to happen but the existence of it continues to be denied by some. This denial is one of the factors that allows abuse and harassment to continue within tabletop RPGs.

Allegations of improper behavior at the 2017 PaizoCon by Frog God Games CEO Bill Webb were brought to life by Pathfinder content creator Robert Brookes. Brookes was attending PaizoCon and has written for Paizo and Legendary Games, among others. In an incident involving alcohol, Webb allegedly sexually harassed another guest at the convention and when a staffer attempted to intervene and injury occurred with the staffer.

In a thread about harassment and abuse on gaming forum RPGNet, Frog God Games partner Matt Finch, creator of the Swords & Wizardry retroclone, confirmed that the incident with Webb occurred, and revealed some details about an internal investigation that the partners of Frog God Games conducted into the incident:

"I am Matt Finch, the partner of Frog God Games appointed by the partners to investigate a sexual harassment complaint filed against Mr. Webb at PaizoCon 2017. Mr. Webb was not consulted by the partners on this decision. Due to recent accusations made on Twitter by a third party, I will outline the aspects of the situation to the extent that they do not compromise the confidentiality of the person who filed the report, I will describe the nature of our internal investigation, and will also address the recently-raised tweets by Robert Brookes on his twitter feed. This report will not necessarily be updated; it stands for itself at the time of posting, based on the knowledge I currently have.

"First, it is correct that a complaint was filed with Paizo at PaizoCon against Bill. I was made aware of this by phone on the day it happened (I was not present at the convention). Frog God is aware of the identity of the person who made the complaint, because they spoke to three of our partners at the convention after the event. We have not been invited to share that person’s identity, and although we are not under legal obligation to protect that confidentiality we have elected to respect that person’s desire not to have the event brought into the spotlight.

"Gathering information in a situation like this is necessarily limited due to Paizo’s own confidentiality obligations. To assemble information, I spoke to the three partners who had talked with the person who filed the complaint, and obtained their accounts of what they were told. Secondhand accounts are not perfect, and I had to weigh that against the fact that an attorney making direct contact with someone who has filed such a report can be seen as a threat or intimidation, and weighing those two issues, I chose to rely on a comparison of the conversations between the individual and our partners, plus Paizo’s own resolution of the matter at the time, plus a necessarily-cautious review of Bill’s account. There has been contact between the person who filed the complaint and Frog God partners since the event, and I will provide a screenshot of one such communication with the name redacted. I believe the screenshot provides a great deal of clarification.

"Reducing the event to a level that will maintain confidentiality, my understanding based on my investigation was that Bill Webb took an action and engaged in speech that could be construed as a sexual advance or as gender-dismissive.

"In consequence of this finding, I and another senior partner of the company had a meeting with Mr. Webb about expectations, standards of behavior, and future protocol. We addressed that one’s lack of bad intentions does not excuse problematic behavior.

"Some people have asked that Mr. Webb acknowledge and apologize for the situation. Bill does deeply regret his actions, and understands that they were inappropriate and upsetting. I have told Mr. Webb not to contact the person directly, for the same reason that I have not done so myself: the potential for that contact to appear intimidating or threatening. However, at whatever time the person lets us know that a direct apology from Mr. Webb would be welcomed, that apology will be immediately forthcoming. Mr. Webb is also under instruction not to discuss this matter in public, in case peripheral details were to be inadvertently disclosed that might allow the identification of the person by another party. This is also the reason we chose to have me, as the investigating partner, write the public report, given that a report has become necessary in response to a recent description of the event on Twitter."


We reached out to Webb for comment upon this incident, and we were directed to the RPGNet post by Finch. This is the company's official statement on what happened at PaizoCon. Whether or not there will be further repercussions within Frog God Games due to this incident and Webb's actions remain to be seen.

Paizo CEO Lisa Stevens has released an official statement on the incident on the Paizo forums. When EN World reached out to Paizo for official comment, we were directed to this statement:

"My name is Lisa Stevens and I am the CEO and owner of Paizo Inc. Events of the past few weeks have compelled me to make this statement.

"My company will never condone any sexual harassment or assault against any of our employees, male or female. We will never condone any sexual harassment or assault against any of our customers on paizo.com or at sanctioned organized play activities. Whenever I hear any allegations of sexual harassment or assault related to Paizo’s activities, I always immediately drop whatever I'm doing and I make getting to the bottom of these issues my top priority. We have banned people from paizo.com. We have banned people from participating in our organized play activities. We have stopped doing business with individuals. And we will continue to do so.
"As a woman and a survivor of sexual harassment, sexual assault, and rape, I know what it is like to be on the receiving end of these attacks. I know what it is like to feel the shame, the terror, how it changes your life forever. And because of this, I will never stand for my company to condone this behavior.

"Paizo’s employees are encouraged to come forward with any allegations of sexual harassment or assault and let a manager know as soon as possible. If criminal activities have taken place, they are encouraged to report it to the police and take legal action against the perpetrator. We have asked our employees to not engage in explosive and angry dialogue on paizo.com. We want our website to be a place where our customers feel safe and among friends. If there is problem on paizo.com, then our community team will handle it and, where appropriate, ban the perpetrator.

"In closing, you have my word that I have zero tolerance for sexual harassment and assault, and the same is true of Paizo. Please be aware that we treat these issues with tremendous sensitivity, and only disclose the specifics and resolutions of any such incidents on a need-to-know basis, even within Paizo or with our legal counsel. We do not and will not discuss these matters publicly. Every instance that I am aware of has been thoroughly investigated, and appropriate actions have been taken or are in the process of being taken. You have my word on this."


Unrelated to the PaizoCon incident, Brookes also revealed an incident of harassment within the Pathfinder Society organized play program. When a volunteer staffer reported this incident, their supervisor informed them that an NDA they had signed to be part of the program would not allow her to discuss this incident. Paizo has not officially commented on this incident or commented on whether or not there is an investigation into it.

If tabletop role-playing games are truly going to be an inclusive, we have to be better about not just reporting incidents of abuse and harassment but being dedicated to creating spaces that are safe and free of harassment of our fellow gamers. We also need to shine a spotlight onto the incidents of harassment that occur, it is the responsibility of journalists, bloggers and gamers to do this and let people know that their actions will come to light and that they will be held responsible. It is also important to not just talk about those parts of the gaming communities that we don't agree with, but to also bring to light the improper actions of those companies and communities with whom we do agree, because unless every act of harassment is revealed there will be no change within our communities.

Remember that EN World is an inclusive community.
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Dannyalcatraz

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I had someone claim that drunken behavior demonstrated someone's "true" nature. I pointed out that drunken behavior demonstrates someone's "impaired" nature.

Most accurately, alcohol (and certain other drugs) lower inhibitions and impair your impulse control. It’s not “true” nor “impaired” nature or personality. I know one homicide in which a person committed a double homicide while blackout drunk. He didn’t know the people he killed. He had no motive.
 
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MackMcMacky

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Most accurately, alcohol (and certain other drugs) lower inhibitions and impair your impulse control. It’s not “true” nor “impaired”. I know one homicide in which a person committed a double homicide while blackout drunk. He didn’t know the people he killed. He had no motive.
Okay, impaired nature, impaired impulse control; po-tay-to, po-taw-to...
 

KthulhuX

First Post
I have bought a lot of products from Frog God Games in the past, and really only stopped getting everything they have published a few years ago due to financial issues. Financial issues that will hopefully be clearing up early next year. I plan to pick back up with being a regular FGG customer. It's not that I don't disagree with Bill's behavior, I do. But honestly, if you look closely enough into any company /artist / whatever; you almost certainly will find behavior or ideology that you strongly disagree with. Hemmingway was a mentally ill drunk. William S. Burroughs killed his wife. William Golding tried to rape a 15-year old girl. Anne Perry murdered her own mother. J. D. Salinger was a pedophile and cheated on his wife. Norman Mailer stabbed and nearly killed his wife. I could go on and on....should we relegate all of their works to the trash bin?

Not saying that others aren't perfectly justified if they do decide to never again make a purchase from FGG. Just explaining why I personally WILL continue to be a customer. Because, for my money, FGG is one of the best RPG publishers active today.

I only scanned the first couple of pages, so this may have been mentioned before, but it's also worth noting that Paizo themselves are rumored to have encouraged employees to suppress accounts of similar incidents, based on some of the Twitter posts of a former employee.
 
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Lwaxy

Cute but dangerous
Rumors... there are rumors, too, that an alien craft is held in a place called Area 51.

I do not ever give credit to rumors. Give me some facts, and I'll get interested. And by facts I mean place and date, people involved etc.

I can fully understand why people, female or male, want to resolve things without all the publicity. Just looking at this thread makes me feel dizzy, and I'm not even involved in any of it. The victim (and I hate the word here because to me she de-victimized herself by not letting it go unnoticed) has asked to let the matter rest, yet people will be going on and on about it anyway.

Yes, I know it is now about Bill and his actions and to make sure such an incident does not happen again. But is it helpful to keep bashing Bill, calling him all sorts of things? How helpful will that be to make him reconsider his substance abuse and predatory behavior? And how does an apology from him help if he is only doing it because everyone expects him to do it? He is either sorry and wants to prevent any more of such incidents himself, in which case it will now be hard to make a statement in that effect without everyone thinking he is only doing it because it is expected. Or he isn't sorry for anything except being caught in the act, in which case it makes no difference if he apologizes or not. He'll stay a predatory drunk, and no one will be the safer around him.

Now none of us know if this was the first time he showed real predatory tendencies. If it was, it is possible he is still in denial about the seriousness of this, as we all tend to find excuses or mitigating factors for our own behaviors. Especially for something so serious. If it wasn't, he might struggle with the fact that he's become a serial drunk and predator.

I would hope he's at least not going to conventions and similar events anymore until he's dealt with both of his issues. But I will not boycott good products over this, especially not from Paizo where I can't see proof for any wrongdoing. If something like this would come to light again, or if it turns out Bill has harassed women in the past and gods forbid, the staff of FGG knew and swiped it under the rug, my response will likely be different.
 

Caliban

Rules Monkey
I can fully understand why people, female or male, want to resolve things without all the publicity. Just looking at this thread makes me feel dizzy, and I'm not even involved in any of it. The victim (and I hate the word here because to me she de-victimized herself by not letting it go unnoticed) has asked to let the matter rest, yet people will be going on and on about it anyway.

I don't really like throwing the word "victim" around either. In American culture the term has connotations of weakness.

In my mind she was the target of harassment, but she never allowed herself to be a victim.
 

mythago

Hero
But honestly, if you look closely enough into any company /artist / whatever; you almost certainly will find behavior or ideology that you strongly disagree with. Hemmingway was a mentally ill drunk. William S. Burroughs killed his wife. William Golding tried to rape a 15-year old girl. Anne Perry murdered her own mother. J. D. Salinger was a pedophile and cheated on his wife. Norman Mailer stabbed and nearly killed his wife. I could go on and on....should we relegate all of their works to the trash bin?

Except for Anne Perry, they're all dead. So we really don't have to worry about Ernest Hemingway or Norman Mailer showing up drunk at PaizoCon or any other con and stalking people. (Even setting aside the odd comparison between classic works of literature and RPG supplements....)

Let's also avoid begging the question with the overdramatic 'trash bin'. Nobody has suggested that Frog God Games be dismantled and its works burned. The question is whether or not someone chooses to do business with them generally or to put money in Bill Webb's pocket specifically.

And maybe you fall on the side of "yes, because I like their stuff lots". That's fine. But once you start exaggerating and downplaying how realistic a choice it is to say "no, I would prefer not to", maybe that's when you need to take a thoughtful look at why you've made that decision.
 

pemerton

Legend
Now none of us know if this was the first time he showed real predatory tendencies. If it was, it is possible he is still in denial about the seriousness of this, as we all tend to find excuses or mitigating factors for our own behaviors. Especially for something so serious. If it wasn't, he might struggle with the fact that he's become a serial drunk and predator.
This post seemed to suggest that this incident did not come out of nowhere:

In discussing Bill Webb's behavior in this thread I have seen a few people willing to offer him the "but he was drunk and people do :):):):) sometimes when they're drunk..." excuse. This excuse doesn't fly for reasons others have already elaborated upon but I will tell you SPECIFICALLY why it cannot be used to soften the criticism against Bill in particular. Bill is not an occasional drunk. He is a routine, PROUD heavy-drinker. Inviting him, oo in the case of PaizoCon merely allowing him, to participate in your convention means not that he "might" be drunk but that he WILL be drunk and he's already shown that he cannot be trusted to behave according to expected standards when drunk.
 

MackMcMacky

First Post
The incident happened. Those wronged felt that it had been resolved. Other people didn't and put it out there for armchair quarterbacks everywhere to draw their conclusions based on second-hand or third-hand information.

Some people seem to be indicating that the transgressor is irredeemable. One going so far as to essentially claim that how you behave when your are drunk is your "true self" as if it's a scientific diagnostic tool for personalities.

I think many of us are aware of the limited information we have to go on and an interest in a healthy resolution rather than getting several pounds of flesh. If the behavior is related to alcoholism then there are treatments available to help control those impulses.
 

Lwaxy

Cute but dangerous
This post seemed to suggest that this incident did not come out of nowhere:


Indeed, it however said nothing of former sexual assaults. It is a different thing if someone acts bad when drunk, even if it happened regularly.
 

Ravensworth

Explorer
I want to make it clear that if you’re looking for a place to tell everybody about how you don’t believe the victim here, you are in the wrong place. I am not going to condone or facilitate victim blaming on this website, or tolerate its presence.
You already allowed it on page one of this thread.
For the life of me I cannot understand why you let the post where Victim is in quotation marks stay on the page. I believe it should have been removed and the person warned and in it's place you stating in red why it was removed not a warning that you will remove such posts in the future. That is a paper tiger.
Sorry I have no time for people who threaten. Either you tolerate it or you don't. If you don't then remove the post and get out the ban hammer if your TOS or EULA is violated. If you are not going to do that stop posing!
 

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