Harassment At PaizoCon 2017

In our post-Harvey Weinstein world, more and more people in the various entertainment industries are coming forward with allegations of abuse and harassment, both sexual and psychological. The tabletop gaming industry isn't isolated from this wave of revelation as incidents surface, and will likely continue to surface about professionals, and fans, within the gaming communities.

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In our post-Harvey Weinstein world, more and more people in the various entertainment industries are coming forward with allegations of abuse and harassment, both sexual and psychological. The tabletop gaming industry isn't isolated from this wave of revelation as incidents surface, and will likely continue to surface about professionals, and fans, within the gaming communities.


Stories of harassment within tabletop gaming, at conventions and stores, and even in local gaming groups are nothing new. That is probably the saddest fact of this whole thing: that despite stories being brought to light, not only does harassment continue to happen but the existence of it continues to be denied by some. This denial is one of the factors that allows abuse and harassment to continue within tabletop RPGs.

Allegations of improper behavior at the 2017 PaizoCon by Frog God Games CEO Bill Webb were brought to life by Pathfinder content creator Robert Brookes. Brookes was attending PaizoCon and has written for Paizo and Legendary Games, among others. In an incident involving alcohol, Webb allegedly sexually harassed another guest at the convention and when a staffer attempted to intervene and injury occurred with the staffer.

In a thread about harassment and abuse on gaming forum RPGNet, Frog God Games partner Matt Finch, creator of the Swords & Wizardry retroclone, confirmed that the incident with Webb occurred, and revealed some details about an internal investigation that the partners of Frog God Games conducted into the incident:

"I am Matt Finch, the partner of Frog God Games appointed by the partners to investigate a sexual harassment complaint filed against Mr. Webb at PaizoCon 2017. Mr. Webb was not consulted by the partners on this decision. Due to recent accusations made on Twitter by a third party, I will outline the aspects of the situation to the extent that they do not compromise the confidentiality of the person who filed the report, I will describe the nature of our internal investigation, and will also address the recently-raised tweets by Robert Brookes on his twitter feed. This report will not necessarily be updated; it stands for itself at the time of posting, based on the knowledge I currently have.

"First, it is correct that a complaint was filed with Paizo at PaizoCon against Bill. I was made aware of this by phone on the day it happened (I was not present at the convention). Frog God is aware of the identity of the person who made the complaint, because they spoke to three of our partners at the convention after the event. We have not been invited to share that person’s identity, and although we are not under legal obligation to protect that confidentiality we have elected to respect that person’s desire not to have the event brought into the spotlight.

"Gathering information in a situation like this is necessarily limited due to Paizo’s own confidentiality obligations. To assemble information, I spoke to the three partners who had talked with the person who filed the complaint, and obtained their accounts of what they were told. Secondhand accounts are not perfect, and I had to weigh that against the fact that an attorney making direct contact with someone who has filed such a report can be seen as a threat or intimidation, and weighing those two issues, I chose to rely on a comparison of the conversations between the individual and our partners, plus Paizo’s own resolution of the matter at the time, plus a necessarily-cautious review of Bill’s account. There has been contact between the person who filed the complaint and Frog God partners since the event, and I will provide a screenshot of one such communication with the name redacted. I believe the screenshot provides a great deal of clarification.

"Reducing the event to a level that will maintain confidentiality, my understanding based on my investigation was that Bill Webb took an action and engaged in speech that could be construed as a sexual advance or as gender-dismissive.

"In consequence of this finding, I and another senior partner of the company had a meeting with Mr. Webb about expectations, standards of behavior, and future protocol. We addressed that one’s lack of bad intentions does not excuse problematic behavior.

"Some people have asked that Mr. Webb acknowledge and apologize for the situation. Bill does deeply regret his actions, and understands that they were inappropriate and upsetting. I have told Mr. Webb not to contact the person directly, for the same reason that I have not done so myself: the potential for that contact to appear intimidating or threatening. However, at whatever time the person lets us know that a direct apology from Mr. Webb would be welcomed, that apology will be immediately forthcoming. Mr. Webb is also under instruction not to discuss this matter in public, in case peripheral details were to be inadvertently disclosed that might allow the identification of the person by another party. This is also the reason we chose to have me, as the investigating partner, write the public report, given that a report has become necessary in response to a recent description of the event on Twitter."


We reached out to Webb for comment upon this incident, and we were directed to the RPGNet post by Finch. This is the company's official statement on what happened at PaizoCon. Whether or not there will be further repercussions within Frog God Games due to this incident and Webb's actions remain to be seen.

Paizo CEO Lisa Stevens has released an official statement on the incident on the Paizo forums. When EN World reached out to Paizo for official comment, we were directed to this statement:

"My name is Lisa Stevens and I am the CEO and owner of Paizo Inc. Events of the past few weeks have compelled me to make this statement.

"My company will never condone any sexual harassment or assault against any of our employees, male or female. We will never condone any sexual harassment or assault against any of our customers on paizo.com or at sanctioned organized play activities. Whenever I hear any allegations of sexual harassment or assault related to Paizo’s activities, I always immediately drop whatever I'm doing and I make getting to the bottom of these issues my top priority. We have banned people from paizo.com. We have banned people from participating in our organized play activities. We have stopped doing business with individuals. And we will continue to do so.
"As a woman and a survivor of sexual harassment, sexual assault, and rape, I know what it is like to be on the receiving end of these attacks. I know what it is like to feel the shame, the terror, how it changes your life forever. And because of this, I will never stand for my company to condone this behavior.

"Paizo’s employees are encouraged to come forward with any allegations of sexual harassment or assault and let a manager know as soon as possible. If criminal activities have taken place, they are encouraged to report it to the police and take legal action against the perpetrator. We have asked our employees to not engage in explosive and angry dialogue on paizo.com. We want our website to be a place where our customers feel safe and among friends. If there is problem on paizo.com, then our community team will handle it and, where appropriate, ban the perpetrator.

"In closing, you have my word that I have zero tolerance for sexual harassment and assault, and the same is true of Paizo. Please be aware that we treat these issues with tremendous sensitivity, and only disclose the specifics and resolutions of any such incidents on a need-to-know basis, even within Paizo or with our legal counsel. We do not and will not discuss these matters publicly. Every instance that I am aware of has been thoroughly investigated, and appropriate actions have been taken or are in the process of being taken. You have my word on this."


Unrelated to the PaizoCon incident, Brookes also revealed an incident of harassment within the Pathfinder Society organized play program. When a volunteer staffer reported this incident, their supervisor informed them that an NDA they had signed to be part of the program would not allow her to discuss this incident. Paizo has not officially commented on this incident or commented on whether or not there is an investigation into it.

If tabletop role-playing games are truly going to be an inclusive, we have to be better about not just reporting incidents of abuse and harassment but being dedicated to creating spaces that are safe and free of harassment of our fellow gamers. We also need to shine a spotlight onto the incidents of harassment that occur, it is the responsibility of journalists, bloggers and gamers to do this and let people know that their actions will come to light and that they will be held responsible. It is also important to not just talk about those parts of the gaming communities that we don't agree with, but to also bring to light the improper actions of those companies and communities with whom we do agree, because unless every act of harassment is revealed there will be no change within our communities.

Remember that EN World is an inclusive community.
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fantasmamore

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Not an appropriate analogy for the current situation...

When we hear of a criminal act we ask about the victim's well being. When we hear of a woman being sexually harassed we* ask if this is true. It's the perfect analogy. We should change the way we think. We cannot be sure that mr Webb is guilty since there is no judge ruling and everyone is a priori innocent but we certainly cannot think that the victim is lying or exaggerating just because.. because what really? What's our excuse?

* not all of us of course...
 

Caliban

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I said feeling pressured. Perhaps just by the thought of how embarrassing it would be for him if she were to come out now and say his account isn't accurate.

Everyone involved in the incident agrees that it happened and that it was inappropriate. The target, the aggressor, the companies involved.

Interesting how you don't seem to want to believe anyone involved in an incident you didn't witness and weren't part of.

Almost as if you have your own agenda an are trying twist the facts to suit it.

Interesting...very interesting...
 
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James Gray1

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My name is J Gray. I have the privilege of working for BJ Hensley at Playground Adventures as "the Professor of Puzzles". In the time I've known Ms. Hensley I've learned many things. Among them:

1. BJ Hensley does not get pressured into anything. She does what she believes is best for herself, the people she cares about, and the people who rely on her.

2. If BJ Hensley says something happened? It happened. If she says she was harassed, she was harassed. If she said the situation was unwanted and a little bit scary, then it was. If she says she was not silenced, she was not silenced.

BJ Hensley is not "a fan girl who flirted and got more than she bargained for" as some have suggested. Nor is she a wilting flower who "was pressured into saying something for the good of Paizo" as others have suggested. BJ Hensley is a professional member of the gaming industry who manages the business affairs of not one but two different companies and, frankly, someone who doesn't put up with crap she doesn't have to.
 

“Interesting that...” is right up there with “some people say...” as one of those rhetorical tricks to imply something without actually backing it up. Just hold your hands up and say, well, I didn’t claim that.

For example:

Some people say the EN World servers run on the blood of Morrus’s enemies. Interesting that no one is denying it. One might think there was something to hide. I’m not saying stray animals disappear whenever there is a server upgrade, but it does make you wonder.

If you think Robert is lying, then say that and be willing to back it up. Otherwise this rhetorical handwaving adds nothing to the conversation.
 

MackMcMacky

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"On another note, how is it that if I say that a burglar got into my house the first thing people ask is "Are you ok?" and if a woman says that she's been sexually harassed the first thing people say is "Prove it!"?" This is an elegant statement of a big problem. A big problem that stops victims of harassment and abuse from coming forward.
It's not complete though. If you identify a particular person as the person who burgled your house then people may very well say, "Prove it."
 

Dannyalcatraz

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It's not complete though. If you identify a particular person as the person who burgled your house then people may very well say, "Prove it."

As someone who worked (briefly) in the American criminal justice system, I can say that there's a distinct difference in the way victims of sex crimes are treated vs other crimes. There's a certain reservoir of people whose default reaction is to blame the victim that just isn't present with other crimes.

This isn't the same as our maxim, "Innocent until proven guilty." This is "even if it happened, it's not really the perp's fault."
 
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Morrus

Well, that was fun
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“Interesting that...” is right up there with “some people say...” as one of those rhetorical tricks to imply something without actually backing it up. Just hold your hands up and say, well, I didn’t claim that.

It's right up there with "I'm just asking questions", otherwise known as "JAQing off". Horrid little tactic, that one.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions
 
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fantasmamore

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If you identify a particular person as the person who burgled your house then people may very well say, "Prove it."

It's not about the identity of the person. Noone said that it wasn't Webb. But some people implied that it wasn't that serious, maybe the victim was wrong etc. And look, it's not that I am trying to force my opinion on anyone and I might well be wrong. But there are people that when they hear about sexual harassment think that it was the victim's fault or that the victim is lying or that he/she is exaggerating etc. Does it bother you? Because it bothers me. A lot. It makes me feel shame for how we still behave to the women, to the physically weak, the different from us. It's like victimize them again...
 

When we hear of a criminal act we ask about the victim's well being. When we hear of a woman being sexually harassed we* ask if this is true. It's the perfect analogy. We should change the way we think. We cannot be sure that mr Webb is guilty since there is no judge ruling and everyone is a priori innocent but we certainly cannot think that the victim is lying or exaggerating just because.. because what really? What's our excuse?

* not all of us of course...

Just because what?

How about innocent until proven guilty? Is that a good enough reason. In this specific situation enough information is out there to make a pretty intelligent decision but that is not every situation.

If Person A says he/she was assaulted the automatic respond should NEVER be to instantly believe that person and start calling Person B a rapist.

My own PERSONAL opinion is that any time I hear about a sexual assault my "hope" is that the victim is lying. Because I automatically side with the attacker? No, not at all, because it is 1000% a much less horrible thing to find out someone was a liar as opposed to find out someone truly was sexually assaulted.
 

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