Has 4e caused a great rift between gamers?

[Hussar]

With my bunch, we're all still playing 3.5. I do believe a few of the group is playing in another group with 4e. So, the only split I see is on the internet.

 

[Starbuck_II]

As players, we don't really lose out. We now have more choices, and a higher chance to find a game that suites our preferences.

Yes and No.

There are DMs burnt out on 3.5 but don't want to switch because 4th killed a few sacred cows (some people like their cows). I had one who burnt out when 4th was just rumor and demo was created here.

But over all, I think you might be right that we have more choices.

Although, there are stubborn people who have DMs who switched but they won't and vice versa (DM wants to run 3.5 but players want to try 4th).

 

[hexgrid]

??? Why? Now we have 2 viable (and vibrant from all reports) versions of D&D - Pathfinder and 4E.

Only 2 viable versions of D&D, huh? We had considerably more than that before 4e and Pathfinder came around- especially if 3rd party variants like Pathfinder can be classified as D&D.

 

[Mallus]

As far as my group's concerned, Pathfinder isn't even on the radar. We'd be much more likely to be playing Arcana Evolved, Exalted, SW Saga, Mage or even 3.5e if we didn't like 4e.

Same here, though my group would replace Exalted and Mage with Warhammer 2e and M&M2e, respectively.

As for the original question: no. A thousand times no. Well, maybe a hundred...

Hobbyists, fan communities, ahem, fanboys (and girls) like to deabte, to argue. This is an incontrovertible fact. It doesn't matter what they're fans of: D&D, indie rock, opera, collecting certain kinds of small French automobile or stamps. This dividing up by particular preferences, splitting into sides, and then duking it out is all just part of the hobby, and the Internet is the perfect venue for such... auxiliary hobby-related activities.

 

[Dragonhelm]

So we need to get past the "My game is better then your game" mentality and just accept we all like and prefer different things.

I couldn't agree more.

I like C&C. I think 3E is waaaaayy too complicated and unfun to run, especially at higher levels. I have found 4E to be very "ho hum" and actually think GURPS 4E is a better system. So what? That is my opinion. IT doesn't change the fact others love 3E and 4E, and love GURPS, ROlemaster, etc...

Exactly. And sometimes, a person might like more than one system. I like both C&C and 4e. I would rather not run 3e, but I'd play it. I would also play in an AD&D game.

We all game to have fun. The system only matters if you don't like it. Even though I find 4E to be "Ho hum" I am still having fun playing it with the people I am playing it with. In our last session the DM offered to end the 4E try out. We all agreed to keep going because even though none of us are falling in love with it we are having fun and may as well finish the module.

I think people get so wrapped up in systems that they forget that the game is about fun. Game systems are there for conflict resolution. They're tool kits. The best fun is sitting around the table with friends and having a good time.

And personally, I would not recommend the D&D modules. Go with Pathfinder's instead.

 

[DaveMage]

??? Why? Now we have 2 viable (and vibrant from all reports) versions of D&D - Pathfinder and 4E. How does this community lose out? You have really lost me here.

There are some posters here that I used to have good conversations with who have gone 4E - and they aren't interested in talking about 3.5/Pathfinder anymore.

I miss the time when almost all of us were talking about the same game.

To use a trite analogy, it's like half of my friends are playing in a different sandbox now.

 

[SteveC]

There are some posters here that I used to have good conversations with who have gone 4E - and they aren't interested in talking about the 3.5 anymore Pathfinder.

I miss the time when almost all of us were talking about the same game.

To use a trite analogy, it's like half of my friends are playing in a different sandbox now.

This is very true. There are quite a number of the "old timers" (by that I mean the ENWorlders who were here since before 3E even launched) that are unsatisfied by 4E. I miss their posts, because a lot of them were about my age and had many of the same experiences I had growing up playing D&D and managing to find a place in the world. I miss a lot of that.

I like a lot of things about 4E, but it also throws out many of the things I love about the earlier editions. For me, it helped once I stopped thinking about 4E as a successor to the previous editions of the rules, and started evaluating it on its own merits. Once it became "just another game I play" I started to think about talking about gaming in general more than I had, and less about how what I was saying would only apply to a particular rules set.

I hope we can get back to that, because I miss a lot of the posters who haven't gone on to the new edition.



--Steve

 

[SkidAce]

Even though we still play Rifts, I couldn't choose that option because DnD is still cool.

There might be a gaming rift when my buddy gets back from afghanistan...but I'm sure we can put it aside in interests of playing with friends.

/whisper He's thinking of going 4th...I'm thinking not.

 

[Psion]

To use a trite analogy, it's like half of my friends are playing in a different sandbox now.

Hey Dave, can you hand me that shovel?

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Gamers will develop "rifts" over what color hat Elminster is supposed to wear. 4E is nothing special in that regard.