Argyle King
Legend
If I'm understanding this correctly...
It's armor as DR and Hit Locations?
GURPS has optional rules for doing what I think you're illustrating. The rules options you'd want to use would depend on how much detail you want.
Has any RPG system ever used…
If I'm understanding this correctly...
It's armor as DR and Hit Locations?
GURPS has optional rules for doing what I think you're illustrating. The rules options you'd want to use would depend on how much detail you want.
aramis erak
Legend
Battletech armor is ablative... as are SFB Armor and Shields...
but I think what he's asking about is boxes to mark damage by location, as opposed to simply tracking damage by location.
And GURPS does neither of those, nor is GURPS armor ablative.
Argyle King
Legend
Oh ok, I see.
Sidenote: Ablative Armor is a modifier that's able to be added to GURPS armor.
Some of the optional rules for damage by location can be used with vehicles (or for crippling limbs,) but I suppose that's not the same thing (?)
I'm not entirely grasping the difference between writing down numbers or marking damage on a drawn a picture.
Sorry, been too busy to get back to this!
As some have mentioned already, in the aforementioned games, armor is ablative. Once it gets breached, the internal systems can be damaged, 1 point of damage per box/circle. When a system has all of its boxes/circles filled in, it’s destroyed. (Basically.)
The thought was that a system like this could be used to have a system in which PCs & major NPCs would actually lose capabilities as they get injured.
How many internal points? That would depend on the capabilities in question. The more power, the more boxes.
“Mooks” would have armor just like major characters, but FAR fewer internal boxes. IOW, glass cannons.
As some have mentioned already, in the aforementioned games, armor is ablative. Once it gets breached, the internal systems can be damaged, 1 point of damage per box/circle. When a system has all of its boxes/circles filled in, it’s destroyed. (Basically.)
The thought was that a system like this could be used to have a system in which PCs & major NPCs would actually lose capabilities as they get injured.
How many internal points? That would depend on the capabilities in question. The more power, the more boxes.
“Mooks” would have armor just like major characters, but FAR fewer internal boxes. IOW, glass cannons.
Argyle King
Legend
For an individual person, how are you imagining that?
Physical injuries (like broken bones)?
Loss of abilities?
I think there are games which have similar concepts, but the mechanics of how they work vary.
aramis erak
Legend
If you're looking for ablative armor, 1 point per point of damage stopped, that massively reduces things. The only one coming to mind immediatelt is Palladium, but it doesn't have hit locations, doesn't have detailed wounding rules, and has high enough SDC totals that boxes become a bit cumbersome. THe way it works in Palladium: to hit in combat is 5+; any to hit roll under the armor's AR does damage to the Armor's SDC, if it has any left. Then, any left after the armor, or any to-hit above the AR but not a Nat 20, goes to personal SDC; Crits go straight to Hit Points, and (if using the intended but optional rule) any HP damage also does a lasting effect of some kind.
Oh, wait... Car Wars (from original Deluxe box on, at least) is functional as an RPG using the continuing characters rules (and noting that the skills list includes some non-combat skills from that point on until the relatively recent Car Wars Classic boxed set, but Compendium retains them.)
I've seen a lot of semi-ablative armor mechanics. Twilight: 2000 4E, 1 in 6 chance that armor ablates a point when damage breaches it. Several small press games have armor ablate one point per penetration, as do a few more from major publishers.
Edit: I just remembered a couple more: Epiphany 1E, and the Vapire Larp both have provisions for damage to armor when hit... cancelling the armor trait's positive benefits...
@Argyle King - GURPS Ablative isn't the same as, say, Car Wars ablative, at least not the last time I looked ijn the rules. In GURPS, last I checked, Ablative only lost points if damage dice were 5 or 6. In Battletech, each point of armor stops 1, and only 1, point of damage, before needing to be repaired/replaced. So with 15 armor, and a 5 point hit is stopped, there's now 10 armor left. Very common in detailed consim board games (SFB, Starfire, Battletech, Car Wars, Battlecars, FASA ST III SCS (albeit via counters on sheet, rather than marking boxes off).
dbm
Savage!
GURPS Ablative DR works this way in 4e; each point is consumed as it stops damage then it heals like hit points do.
MGibster
Legend
Well, I suppose you could reframe it that way. But damage resistance really doesn't apply in BattleTech. (At least it didn't when I played.) If your weapon hits it's going to do damage which will be subtracted from the armor value of the hit location. i.e. If I shoot a medium laser and hit the left left of a Locust mech it will subtract 5 points from its armor at that location. Now if that location has zero armor left, then any remaining damage will be applied to the internal structure possibly damaging critical components. In the case of a leg, it could be jump jets or actuators which may lessen the mobility of the mech.
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