Has anyone ever seen an Odin PrC
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Crothian
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Here's the best I could fine for the time being:
http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35842
http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35842
Thanks Very much for the speedy responses. Here's too much explanation as payment.
For rounding out the partys sake I took a god with Magic and Travel as domain. Lirr was the only one who had those 2. I had started the campaign as a warrior cleric. Lirr is the god(des) of poetry prose and art.
Roleplaying it... was absurd... I tried... my reasons for my actions made 'tenuous' look like gospel.
We are playing in Greyhawk. I wanted someone 'Greyhawky' fer lack of a better word. Norse myth, was a serious plus to have those two domains.
So I will more than likely be playing a priest who is likely one of a very small few(my PC more than likely has no idea that there even are others... getting me raised might be a b**ch) who are working to bring the faith of Odin to Greyhawk.
I was looking for a PrC that was specific around Odin. If there isn't one... well then that's just to bad. I was looking for a little flavor, instead of just taking the Hospitaler(which is allowed in this campaign).
Thanks again guys
For rounding out the partys sake I took a god with Magic and Travel as domain. Lirr was the only one who had those 2. I had started the campaign as a warrior cleric. Lirr is the god(des) of poetry prose and art.
Roleplaying it... was absurd... I tried... my reasons for my actions made 'tenuous' look like gospel.
We are playing in Greyhawk. I wanted someone 'Greyhawky' fer lack of a better word. Norse myth, was a serious plus to have those two domains.
So I will more than likely be playing a priest who is likely one of a very small few(my PC more than likely has no idea that there even are others... getting me raised might be a b**ch) who are working to bring the faith of Odin to Greyhawk.
I was looking for a PrC that was specific around Odin. If there isn't one... well then that's just to bad. I was looking for a little flavor, instead of just taking the Hospitaler(which is allowed in this campaign).
Thanks again guys
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Crothian
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Here's a free product (pdf) about the Norse. It has some prestige classes along with other stuff. I'm not that familar with the product but it might be able to help.
http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/reviews/index.php?sub=yes&where=currentprod&which=NoGo
http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/reviews/index.php?sub=yes&where=currentprod&which=NoGo
Did you take a look at Bastion's free pdf "Norse Gods"? It might give you some good ideas.
Direct link: Norse Gods
Hope this helps!
Folkert
EDIT: Oops, Crothian was faster.
Direct link: Norse Gods
Hope this helps!
Folkert
EDIT: Oops, Crothian was faster.
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Thanks again guys.
I really like the flavor of the Doombringer PrC , but I had initially dismissed it out of hand due to the staggered spell advancement(seems unfair to gyp fellow party members out of the best healing magic possible). I would like to use some parts so I had some ideas to modify it.
Some of this is the original poster's but stuff I have changed will be highlighted(caps/or color).:
LANCE OF THE HANGED GOD
Requisites
Will Bonus: +5
Alignment: ANY GOOD, non evil
Skills: Knowledge Religion 8 ranks
Knowledge Arcana 4 Ranks
Knowledge History, or
Knowledge Legends 4 Ranks
CANDIDATE must have been instrumental in the defeat of a giant
Special: Must survive the ordeal of the Tree, having been chosen for the test by Odin. This test needs to be very dramatic, and should be done with great care. In general the mechanic should involve initial damage of 4d4 as the character is impaled upon the tree, hourly checks of Fort saves to prevent further blood loss, and attempts by spirits to dissuade him from this course, requiring Will saves. The DC should start at 14 for the Fort save, and 12 for the will save. The saves will continue to get more difficult if they are failed
Skills: 4+ Int modifier
Class Skills: Bluff (Cha), Composure (Wis), Concentration (con), Craft (Wis), Disguise (Cha), Heal (Wis), Intimidate (Cha), Knowledge All, individually (Int), Ritual Magic (Int), Runecraft (Int), Scry (Int), Sense Motive (Wis), Speak Language (Int), Spellcraft (Int), Substitute 'Gather Information' for 'Scry'
Base Attack same as a cleric
Good Will Save
Poor Fort and Ref Saves
CANDIDATE must have been instrumental in the defeat of a giant(any type)
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A PrC LANCE may never assist a giant of any kind(except by omission of action or accident).
A PrC LANCE if forced to flee combat(no matter how bad the odds), will be denied his highest spell level, until such time as he has recieved Atonement(per spell/quest).
A PrC LANCE will never receive access to True Resurrection.
A PrC LANCE may raise the dead(raise dead/resurrection) only 1x/week for every 5 levels he possesses(exception: scroll from another deity). Odin has never been on the best of terms with Hel, goddess of the underworld.
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1st level gains animal companions, Knowledge of the Tree, and Prestige Domain: Dooms, and a Caster Level
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1st - Gains access to a familiar(Raven only). Animal friendship(effective only on wolves, only one) is added to spell list. Knowledge of the Tree, caster level +1.
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2nd Level gains Baleful Eye and a Spell caster level
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2nd - Leave as is.
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3rd level gains Inspire Berserker 1/day and a spell caster level
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3rd - Inspire Berserker or Herald of Valkries: Brass 1x/day, caster level +1.
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4th level gains Trick of Pain
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4th - Forgotten Lore 1, caster level +1
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5th level gains Inspire Berserker 2 per day and a spell level
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5th - Inspire Berserker x2 or Herald of Valkries: Brass x2 or Bronze x1, caster level +1
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6th level gains Lay Doom and a spellcaster level
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6th - Forgotten Lore 2, Caster level +1
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7th level gains Inspire Berserker 3 per day and a spell level
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7th - Inspire Berserker x2 or Herald of Valkries: Brass x3, Bronze x2, or Iron x1, caster level +1
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8th level gains Truth of Life
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8th - Aspect of Gugnir, caster level +1
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9th level gains a spell level
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9th - Forgotten Lore 3, caster level +1
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10th level gains Gallows Feast
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10th - Warrior of the World's End, caster level +1
Animal Companions: a wolf and a raven, sent by his god to serve him, approach The Scarred Priest. The Scarred Priest is allowed to treat one as a Familiar, with all the benefits, and dangers inherent, while the other is treated as if under the animal friendship spell. I LOVED this one. Very cool.
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Aspect of Gugnir:Any Spear wielded by a LotHG takes on the following properties: If held aloft at the beginning of combat, it points to the most powerful melee. All enemies within 20'r must make a will save(DC 15+ wis bonus) or be affected as per Fear spell(foes with a higher CR than the LotHG's CL are immune).
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Baleful Eye: 1/day Having lost his eye to the tree, the Scarred Priest now bears the aspect of his god, a visage that brings fear into even the hearts of kings. The Scarred priest may add his wisdom bonus to any Intimidate Check, and may do so as a standard action. Another very cool one. Couldn't thing of something to improve.
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Forgotten Lore 1/2/3: Odin hung at the Tree of Knowledge(Yggdrasil) to gain forbidden knowledge for man. LotHG may choose a Metamagic Feat(range increasing feats forbidden). LotHG may choose 1 spell from any list(unless diametrically opposed to alignment/ethos) and may memorize it as one in his spell list. 1: any spell up lvl 4thlvl, 2: up to 5thlvl, 3: up to 6thlvl
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Herald of the Valkries: LotHG may treat any horn as though it is a Horn of the Valhalla. These will be summoned spirits(treat as outsider).If LotHG actually uses one of these horns, the summoning is treated as though the PC has the 'Augment Summoning' feat. Barbarians summoned in this manner(with actual horn of Valhalla) will have max HP per die.
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Inspire Berserker: With a successful Bluff check, DC 15, the Scarred Priest may inspire those listening, equal to his charisma modifier to enter into a Rage, as a barbarian of their character level.Can't change a thing here
Knowledge of the Tree: The Scarred Priest may make three Knowledge or Craft skills Trained, with ranks equal to his wisdom modifier. Bad*ss. Totally in tune with the portfolio.
Lay Doom: Doombringer may bestow Curse as a spell like ability 1/day
Trick of Pain: The Scarred Priest no longer suffers pain as mere mortals do, allowing him to ignore the effects of negative hit points with a Will save, DC equal to 10 + hit points below 0. Note: It is called the Trick of Pain because he has found the trick to defeating his pain.
Truth of Life: With a successful touch attack the Scarred Priest affects the victim with the feeling of death. The victim is allowed a Will save DC equal to 15 + wisdom modifier. If the victim fails he is knocked unconscious. Note: It is the Truth of Life because life is simply a journey towards death.
Gallows Feast: This dark power is the ultimate manifestation of the Scarred Priest mastery of life and death. As a full round action the scarred priest may absorb the remaining life energies of the dead within a 20 foot radius, speeding them along their way to the afterworld. When he does so he gains 1d4 hit points per body. this may be done 1/day. I had trouble envisioning this. Odin has no innate connection with the dead and depending on the campaign this is either immensely powerful, or incredibly weak.
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Warrior of the World's End: LotHG gains a constant, double-strength Prayer(per spell) aura 10'r. Does not stack with Prayer spell
Overall, I think I changed about half of the original. Some of the abilities are fairly powerful, but are balanced by the restrictions. IMO. Additionally, several of the abilities are totally DM dependant(if PC never gets horn...). Do me a favor and shoot holes in it if you can(heh, of course you can).
I really like the flavor of the Doombringer PrC , but I had initially dismissed it out of hand due to the staggered spell advancement(seems unfair to gyp fellow party members out of the best healing magic possible). I would like to use some parts so I had some ideas to modify it.
Some of this is the original poster's but stuff I have changed will be highlighted(caps/or color).:
LANCE OF THE HANGED GOD
Requisites
Will Bonus: +5
Alignment: ANY GOOD, non evil
Skills: Knowledge Religion 8 ranks
Knowledge Arcana 4 Ranks
Knowledge History, or
Knowledge Legends 4 Ranks
CANDIDATE must have been instrumental in the defeat of a giant
Special: Must survive the ordeal of the Tree, having been chosen for the test by Odin. This test needs to be very dramatic, and should be done with great care. In general the mechanic should involve initial damage of 4d4 as the character is impaled upon the tree, hourly checks of Fort saves to prevent further blood loss, and attempts by spirits to dissuade him from this course, requiring Will saves. The DC should start at 14 for the Fort save, and 12 for the will save. The saves will continue to get more difficult if they are failed
Skills: 4+ Int modifier
Class Skills: Bluff (Cha), Composure (Wis), Concentration (con), Craft (Wis), Disguise (Cha), Heal (Wis), Intimidate (Cha), Knowledge All, individually (Int), Ritual Magic (Int), Runecraft (Int), Scry (Int), Sense Motive (Wis), Speak Language (Int), Spellcraft (Int), Substitute 'Gather Information' for 'Scry'
Base Attack same as a cleric
Good Will Save
Poor Fort and Ref Saves
CANDIDATE must have been instrumental in the defeat of a giant(any type)
-------------------------------------------
A PrC LANCE may never assist a giant of any kind(except by omission of action or accident).
A PrC LANCE if forced to flee combat(no matter how bad the odds), will be denied his highest spell level, until such time as he has recieved Atonement(per spell/quest).
A PrC LANCE will never receive access to True Resurrection.
A PrC LANCE may raise the dead(raise dead/resurrection) only 1x/week for every 5 levels he possesses(exception: scroll from another deity). Odin has never been on the best of terms with Hel, goddess of the underworld.
-------------------------------------------
1st level gains animal companions, Knowledge of the Tree, and Prestige Domain: Dooms, and a Caster Level
-------------------------------------------
1st - Gains access to a familiar(Raven only). Animal friendship(effective only on wolves, only one) is added to spell list. Knowledge of the Tree, caster level +1.
--------------------------------------------
2nd Level gains Baleful Eye and a Spell caster level
--------------------------------------------
2nd - Leave as is.
--------------------------------------------
3rd level gains Inspire Berserker 1/day and a spell caster level
--------------------------------------------
3rd - Inspire Berserker or Herald of Valkries: Brass 1x/day, caster level +1.
--------------------------------------------
4th level gains Trick of Pain
--------------------------------------------
4th - Forgotten Lore 1, caster level +1
---------------------------------------------
5th level gains Inspire Berserker 2 per day and a spell level
---------------------------------------------
5th - Inspire Berserker x2 or Herald of Valkries: Brass x2 or Bronze x1, caster level +1
---------------------------------------------
6th level gains Lay Doom and a spellcaster level
---------------------------------------------
6th - Forgotten Lore 2, Caster level +1
---------------------------------------------
7th level gains Inspire Berserker 3 per day and a spell level
---------------------------------------------
7th - Inspire Berserker x2 or Herald of Valkries: Brass x3, Bronze x2, or Iron x1, caster level +1
---------------------------------------------
8th level gains Truth of Life
---------------------------------------------
8th - Aspect of Gugnir, caster level +1
---------------------------------------------
9th level gains a spell level
---------------------------------------------
9th - Forgotten Lore 3, caster level +1
---------------------------------------------
10th level gains Gallows Feast
---------------------------------------------
10th - Warrior of the World's End, caster level +1
Animal Companions: a wolf and a raven, sent by his god to serve him, approach The Scarred Priest. The Scarred Priest is allowed to treat one as a Familiar, with all the benefits, and dangers inherent, while the other is treated as if under the animal friendship spell. I LOVED this one. Very cool.
---------------------------------------------
Aspect of Gugnir:Any Spear wielded by a LotHG takes on the following properties: If held aloft at the beginning of combat, it points to the most powerful melee. All enemies within 20'r must make a will save(DC 15+ wis bonus) or be affected as per Fear spell(foes with a higher CR than the LotHG's CL are immune).
---------------------------------------------
Baleful Eye: 1/day Having lost his eye to the tree, the Scarred Priest now bears the aspect of his god, a visage that brings fear into even the hearts of kings. The Scarred priest may add his wisdom bonus to any Intimidate Check, and may do so as a standard action. Another very cool one. Couldn't thing of something to improve.
----------------------------------------------
Forgotten Lore 1/2/3: Odin hung at the Tree of Knowledge(Yggdrasil) to gain forbidden knowledge for man. LotHG may choose a Metamagic Feat(range increasing feats forbidden). LotHG may choose 1 spell from any list(unless diametrically opposed to alignment/ethos) and may memorize it as one in his spell list. 1: any spell up lvl 4thlvl, 2: up to 5thlvl, 3: up to 6thlvl
----------------------------------------------
Herald of the Valkries: LotHG may treat any horn as though it is a Horn of the Valhalla. These will be summoned spirits(treat as outsider).If LotHG actually uses one of these horns, the summoning is treated as though the PC has the 'Augment Summoning' feat. Barbarians summoned in this manner(with actual horn of Valhalla) will have max HP per die.
-----------------------------------------------
Inspire Berserker: With a successful Bluff check, DC 15, the Scarred Priest may inspire those listening, equal to his charisma modifier to enter into a Rage, as a barbarian of their character level.Can't change a thing here
Knowledge of the Tree: The Scarred Priest may make three Knowledge or Craft skills Trained, with ranks equal to his wisdom modifier. Bad*ss. Totally in tune with the portfolio.
Lay Doom: Doombringer may bestow Curse as a spell like ability 1/day
Trick of Pain: The Scarred Priest no longer suffers pain as mere mortals do, allowing him to ignore the effects of negative hit points with a Will save, DC equal to 10 + hit points below 0. Note: It is called the Trick of Pain because he has found the trick to defeating his pain.
Truth of Life: With a successful touch attack the Scarred Priest affects the victim with the feeling of death. The victim is allowed a Will save DC equal to 15 + wisdom modifier. If the victim fails he is knocked unconscious. Note: It is the Truth of Life because life is simply a journey towards death.
Gallows Feast: This dark power is the ultimate manifestation of the Scarred Priest mastery of life and death. As a full round action the scarred priest may absorb the remaining life energies of the dead within a 20 foot radius, speeding them along their way to the afterworld. When he does so he gains 1d4 hit points per body. this may be done 1/day. I had trouble envisioning this. Odin has no innate connection with the dead and depending on the campaign this is either immensely powerful, or incredibly weak.
-------------------------------------------
Warrior of the World's End: LotHG gains a constant, double-strength Prayer(per spell) aura 10'r. Does not stack with Prayer spell
Overall, I think I changed about half of the original. Some of the abilities are fairly powerful, but are balanced by the restrictions. IMO. Additionally, several of the abilities are totally DM dependant(if PC never gets horn...). Do me a favor and shoot holes in it if you can(heh, of course you can).
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Skade
Explorer
Wow, big changes there. No problem, it was designed for a specific campaign. I am glad you liked the original version. Thanks. I do have some questions and comments though.
First off, are you leaving the Ordeal of the Tree aspect, or removing it in favor of defeating a giant?
You may want to remove Composure from the skill list, as it is from the Wheel of Time campaign setting. I'm curious about the Gather Information switch with Scry. Your version doesn't seem to be very social, as Gather Information would imply.
A question about the Dead of your campaign. Normally in Norse mythology the Dead are divied up between teh gods. Generally Odin recieves the honorable dead, to serve him as Einherar in Valhalla, awaiting the time of Ragnarok. Half of the honorable dead are sometimes said to be the province of Freya, though that is not always part of the myth. Hel only has dominion over those Dead unworthy of the bounty of Valhalla. That's my understanding at least.
As to the placement of powers, I think it would be helpful if you reposted it with only the draft revisions, rather than with my original abilities also on the page. Its just a matter of confusion fo rme, I'm not sure which ones are staying in addition to your modifications, or being replaced.
I like the Aspect of Gugnir, but what do you mean when it says it points the most powerful melee? I like your clariication of the Animal Companions ability. Forgotten Lore is very flavorful, granting the priest access to wizard magics he would not normally acquire, which fits well with Odin.
Herald of the Valkyries: how many are summoned? What number of HD?
As to Gallows Feast, hopefully I can explain this one. The Odin of my world is not quite the Norse god we are familiar with. Odin died on the tree, giving his life for knowledge, and he came back, scarred and joyless. The knowledge Odin gained was of magic, pain and the ultimate futility who mans efforts against the coming Ragnarok. A Doombringer in my campaign is a priest whose primary mission is to understand the Doom of Odin, the vision of Ragnarok that haunts the gods existence. They are not warriors, though they lead warriors to their dooms. Please note that I do not use doom in our sense, but rather it means fate, a complex word under any circumstances. In any case, as the Doombringer progresses in his calling he learns the lessons that Odin did while upon the tree. Several of the class abilities listed relate to that. This final one is the final step.
Now having said that, I always thought it was not powerful enought o warrant the last ability in the chain. I just did not want to give them the ability to come back from the dead as a matter of course.
First off, are you leaving the Ordeal of the Tree aspect, or removing it in favor of defeating a giant?
You may want to remove Composure from the skill list, as it is from the Wheel of Time campaign setting. I'm curious about the Gather Information switch with Scry. Your version doesn't seem to be very social, as Gather Information would imply.
A question about the Dead of your campaign. Normally in Norse mythology the Dead are divied up between teh gods. Generally Odin recieves the honorable dead, to serve him as Einherar in Valhalla, awaiting the time of Ragnarok. Half of the honorable dead are sometimes said to be the province of Freya, though that is not always part of the myth. Hel only has dominion over those Dead unworthy of the bounty of Valhalla. That's my understanding at least.
As to the placement of powers, I think it would be helpful if you reposted it with only the draft revisions, rather than with my original abilities also on the page. Its just a matter of confusion fo rme, I'm not sure which ones are staying in addition to your modifications, or being replaced.
I like the Aspect of Gugnir, but what do you mean when it says it points the most powerful melee? I like your clariication of the Animal Companions ability. Forgotten Lore is very flavorful, granting the priest access to wizard magics he would not normally acquire, which fits well with Odin.
Herald of the Valkyries: how many are summoned? What number of HD?
As to Gallows Feast, hopefully I can explain this one. The Odin of my world is not quite the Norse god we are familiar with. Odin died on the tree, giving his life for knowledge, and he came back, scarred and joyless. The knowledge Odin gained was of magic, pain and the ultimate futility who mans efforts against the coming Ragnarok. A Doombringer in my campaign is a priest whose primary mission is to understand the Doom of Odin, the vision of Ragnarok that haunts the gods existence. They are not warriors, though they lead warriors to their dooms. Please note that I do not use doom in our sense, but rather it means fate, a complex word under any circumstances. In any case, as the Doombringer progresses in his calling he learns the lessons that Odin did while upon the tree. Several of the class abilities listed relate to that. This final one is the final step.
Now having said that, I always thought it was not powerful enought o warrant the last ability in the chain. I just did not want to give them the ability to come back from the dead as a matter of course.
Skade said:
From what I have gathered on these gods (and was like my hobby for two years ^^), the ones who died in battle from an attack directed to the front of his body was collected by the valkyries and brought to Valhall, were they fought each others in the day, the dead and dismembered were brought to full health, and then they ate pork from the pig Särimner (who could be butchered and eaten and then come back again) and drank mead until next day, when the rooster-whose-name-I-forgot woke them up to fight again. And it went on like this to Ragnarök.
The ones who didnt die in battle (and some other people, like oath- breakers) went to Hel, where they dwelled in a house made of adder- spines with poison dripping on them from the ceiling.
This belief actually made a lot of old Swedish kings go into pointless battles so that they didnt have to die from disease or old age. This afterlife also made no difference if you had the opportunity to fight or not, so women and cripples really only had Hel to look forward to.
(And, Odin was hanged from Yggdrasil, the tree were all of the Viking cosmos was placed, the entire cosmos).
I dont know what I want to say by this, but if you are interrested in Viking mythology, some if it might be new to you ^^
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