Has the wave crested? (Bo9S)

[comrade raoul]

It's a neat book for mature groups, I guess, but nobody should deny that it's a source of massive power creep.

 

[Nifft]

It's a neat book for mature groups, I guess, but nobody should deny that it's a source of massive power creep.

Well... I'd argue it's not power creep, it's power catch-up.

Anything that boosts Clerics or Druids is power creep! All this book did was give melee fighter dudes a reason to exist.

Cheers, -- N

 

[FireLance]

It's a neat book for mature groups, I guess, but nobody should deny that it's a source of massive power creep.

For me, at least, the power creep is balanced by the fun creep.

 

[Destil]

Aside from one or two abusable things (i.e. the same disclaimer I'd have to make about ANY D&D book when talking balance), I don't see it as as much power creep. Warblade - Barbarian/Fighter, Swordsage - Monk and Crusader - Paladin compare fairly well.

What is is is flavor creep, making things cooler for the fighter types.

 

[Hjorimir]

Well... I'd argue it's not power creep, it's power catch-up.

Anything that boosts Clerics or Druids is power creep! All this book did was give melee fighter dudes a reason to exist.

Cheers, -- N

What he said.

 

[Imruphel]

(snip) I wanted to hate it, and ended up loving it.

Likewise. It was a series of posts by Hong on these boards that converted me over.

Once again I am amazed at Rich Baker's creativity. He gave us the warlock as well, as far as I know, and he seems to be the most capable of the WotC when it comes to really tinkering with the rules (he's also a rather good author... and I don't even normally like FR novels).

 

[Sejs]

1) No ranged-type martial discipline

2) Should've been as thick as Tome of Magic and added a ton more of maneuvers and stances, the book is really thin on that.

3) No energy type attacks other than fire. What happened to electricity, acid, sonic, and cold?

There's a passing mention of how one can develop your own maneuvers, disciplines, etc much in the same way you can do personal spell research.


That needs to be developed more. Guidelines, etc for what's appropriate at each level.


I want to develop a fighting style that's based on Mimics (the creature), that uses disguise as the key skill. It would be awesome.

 

[Psion]

Well... I'd argue it's not power creep, it's power catch-up.

Catching up to the druid and cleric is power creep to everyone else.

Two brokens don't make a fixed.

 

[Sejs]

Catching up to the druid and cleric is power creep to everyone else.

Two brokens don't make a fixed.

That, actually, is quite arguable.

 

[FireLance]

Catching up to the druid and cleric is power creep to everyone else.

Two brokens don't make a fixed.

The problem is, something can't be broken in isolation. It has to be with reference to something.

If you think the cleric and druid are broken in relation to the power level you prefer to game at, then increasing the power level of the other classes breaks them, too.

If you think the cleric and druid are broken in relation to the power level of the other classes, allowing the other classes to catch up doesn't break them, and reduces the "brokenness" of the cleric and druid.