D&D General Hasbro activist begins proxy fight, urges Dungeons & Dragons spinoff

ECMO3

Hero
What made D&D explosively popular was a combo of Basic and AD&D. Forget the clunky rules engine, It was the excitement, the danger (yes PCs died! often), the unknown, the interaction. Hasbro could mothball the I.P. but NOT the game. Gygax's 3rd edition of D&D, as he called it, would live on. Many other fine examples would too.
The game is FAR, FAR more "explosively popular" today than at any time before.

I get that some people prefer the old game more, but those people are a minority. I played it throughout the 80s and loved it. However today's game is much better. That is my opinion and it is also the opinion of most players.
 

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South by Southwest

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The game is FAR, FAR more "explosively popular" today than at any time before.

I get that some people prefer the old game more, but those people are a minority. I played it throughout the 80s and loved it. However today's game is much better. That is my opinion and it is also the opinion of most players.
Boy, you said it! Twenty-five or thirty years ago, if anyone had told me D&D was going to be mainstream, lucrative, and widely loved, I would've accused them of wishful thinking.

I mean, this is something I never would have predicted.
 

Staffan

Legend
Dancey is a slightly problematic source, as he hadn't worked at Wizards for about a decade at that point, and was in leadership at Paizo to boot. Not to say that he was lying, but there's a lot of room for a game of telephone at play there.

I'm not saying Dancey is a liar, but . . . . perhaps it's just word choice, but that certainly sounds like what you are implying.
"A lot of room for a game of telephone" doesn't imply lying. It implies that there are several steps between the primary source of the information and the person you are talking to, and at each step there's a chance of information getting distorted, misremembered, abbreviated, or otherwise altered. In this case, there's also time to account for, as Dancey's post was made in early 2012 and concerned things going back to 2005.

That said, Dancey's statement is a mix of things that seem like the stuff that would be easily available to someone with an interest in that sort of corporate stuff, and he likely still had connections to Wizards at the time, so I would tend to believe him unless I see some evidence otherwise.
 

éxypnos

Explorer
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I get that some people prefer the old game more, but those people are a minority. I
Absolutely. Young people today are melted snowflakes that have turned to water vapor compared to when I was young. Today I rarely run into any male <50 that is an actual man. Sad but happens to every large civilization before the fall.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
"A lot of room for a game of telephone" doesn't imply lying. It implies that there are several steps between the primary source of the information and the person you are talking to, and at each step there's a chance of information getting distorted, misremembered, abbreviated, or otherwise altered. In this case, there's also time to account for, as Dancey's post was made in early 2012 and concerned things going back to 2005.

That said, Dancey's statement is a mix of things that seem like the stuff that would be easily available to someone with an interest in that sort of corporate stuff, and he likely still had connections to Wizards at the time, so I would tend to believe him unless I see some evidence otherwise.
I think it is probably not far off in broad strokes, but filtered through a lot of potential noise distortion. I wouldn't go around citing thr particular numbers or corporate strategy. Hasbto at the time wanted more from the game, WotC tried and failed. That gist seems right. And anyone around during 4E could see as much, but other than that the specifics are rumor and way after the fact hearsay from another company. I'm sure Dancey has better, more local sources...but at a remove from the strict facts still.
 



Absolutely. Young people today are melted snowflakes that have turned to water vapor compared to when I was young. Today I rarely run into any male <50 that is an actual man. Sad but happens to every large civilization before the fall.
yes, clearly the first edition of the playing pretend dragon game was the one for the real manly men. Ever since 3e was released, the collapse of society was inevitable. sad.
 

Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
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Absolutely. Young people today are melted snowflakes that have turned to water vapor compared to when I was young. Today I rarely run into any male <50 that is an actual man. Sad but happens to every large civilization before the fall.
Mod Note:

You might want to refresh yourself on ENWorld’s Terms of Service. Because this is the kind of posting that will get you bounced with alacrity.
 

éxypnos

Explorer
Mod Note:

You might want to refresh yourself on ENWorld’s Terms of Service. Because this is the kind of posting that will get you bounced with alacrity.
Yes, I will. I'm by nature a free human and horribly politically incorrect. I will mod my behavior here to conform with the stringent rules.
 

Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
Staff member
Yes, I will. I'm by nature a free human and horribly politically incorrect. I will mod my behavior here to conform with the stringent rules.
Mod Note:

This is borderline challenging moderation, but I’m letting you slide. Snark directed at the moderation staff only serves to increase your odds of being booted from the website.

Please be better going forward.
 


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I was thinking about what kind of investments in WotC should be made and the top one A-side from increase investment in Arena, is buying Games Work Shop. Not only do you get the Warhammer IPs which are super valuable, you get expertise in profitable book publishing, miniatures, and so on, all of which WotC can use. So much potential value to be had. It's also publically traded.
 

If everyone would remember that shareholders have money, and follow what the changes will do for the shareholders they'd do better. Like most things in modern life if you follow all the money decision everything usually makes sense
Like everything in history, follow the money.

But isn't the bulk of WotC's profits actually from Magic?
 

Hasbro buying Games Workshop? Possible, but we don't know if it may be probable. Not yet.

Do you really think Hasbro failed promoting their own brands? My opinion is Alta Fox is wrong, and Hasbro should continue developing their own IPs. I wouldn't be too surprise if Hasbro adquires more brands, even some little 3PPs with economic problems, but with some good ideas.

WotC within Hasbro is stronger to negotiate partnership deals with other megacorporations about possible adaptations, for example intercompany crossovers with Magic: the Gathering, or adaptations of famous videogames. WotC made a lot of money with Star Wars RPG. I guess more than Fantasy Flight Games with that new system. (I could buy as gift for my niece Star Wars d20, even if she doesn't understand the rules of the game system, but the last game by FFG... I don't feel confortable, I don't get used).

Why after to plant fruit trees and await are you going to sell them when they have started to produce fruits?

Sorry, maybe my level of English languange is not enough good but... doesn't this sound like actions of "corporate raiders" or "baron robbers"? What if the goal of this isn't the independence of WotC, at all, but a change to be controlled by new owners?

2022 will be a year with a lot of troubles in the entertaiment industry. I have speculated about possible mergers and adquisitions, but I couldn't imagine a possible demerger.
 

oreofox

Explorer
Hasbro doesn't relinquish something once they get it. I would be greatly surprised if they cut out WotC, especially since it wouldn't surprise me if WotC was quite a huge chunk of their income. I wouldn't be against it, but I don't see it happening.
 

You take $100 of Hasbro and get $50 of Hasbro and $50 of WotC, or some such ratio. Now, everyone can see that these Wizards are buying cardboard and printing Gold because no distractions, D&D movie good,
Wanted to review this and stop right at the D&D movie and remind everyone that the division of Hasbro making the D&D movie, and tv shows, and Magic tv shows is not Wizards.
eOne is doing that, and a lot more. Like potentially billions in revenue more. The release of Hasbro shows is set to explode in the next 18 months. eOne isn't just Gray's Anatomy
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
Wanted to review this and stop right at the D&D movie and remind everyone that the division of Hasbro making the D&D movie, and tv shows, and Magic tv shows is not Wizards.
eOne is doing that, and a lot more. Like potentially billions in revenue more. The release of Hasbro shows is set to explode in the next 18 months. eOne isn't just Gray's Anatomy
Yeah, smallmindedness about the potential in media synergy shows how clueless these cats are.
 

eOne is doing that, and a lot more. Like potentially billions in revenue more. The release of Hasbro shows is set to explode in the next 18 months. eOne isn't just Gray's Anatomy
Interesting, they very much are not just that, I see, looking them up. The shows they're doing make me slightly more hopefully about potential D&D TV shows, at least in terms of the minimum quality level they're likely to accept.
 

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