Hawkeye Disney+ Limited Series (spoilers)

[Rune]

2 Why do you think its Tony Watch? I dont think Clint would be so concerned about it tying back to his family if it was Tonys watch.

I think Mrs Hawkeye speaking German and being his researcher was the clear indicator that its hers and that shes not just the stay at home housewife of CB1. Hopefully its a smoking chekov too and she goes in to action in the last episode (or maybe season 2 - lets Scooby Doo this!)

It does seem likely that Laura Barton was/is an agent of some kind, but I very much doubt that the watch is hers. It’s waaay too fancy/expensive/conspicuous for the Bartons.

That’s the kind of watch you’d expect to see on a Tony Stark or a Dr. Strange. If it were Laura’s, I’d expect it to be much more practical than showy.

 

[MarkB]

What research is there to do? Clint is literally the only source on how Natasha died.

Indeed. And since she hasn't actually killed Clint yet, there's every reason to suspect that she is doing her research, and going to the only source available. In other words, she likely plans to ask him some very pointed questions rather than just killing him outright.

 

[Rune]

Indeed. And since she hasn't actually killed Clint yet, there's every reason to suspect that she is doing her research, and going to the only source available. In other words, she likely plans to ask him some very pointed questions rather than just killing him outright.

The thing is, there really isn’t any research to do, unless she can somehow track down the Red Skull for an interview.

The thing I wonder about is where that photo that Val showed her even came from. Pretty sure it’s from the moment Natasha tracked Ronin down in Endgame.

 

[Stalker0]

As for Yelena, I question why she trusts her source that Clint killed her sister in the "needs revenging" way. Wouldn't she do a little research? Maybe even go undercover to learn more? Given that Clint tells nobody anything, this is a bit unrealistic. And given that Yelena had been used as a tool for years, you'd think she'd not be down with being a tool again.

We have to remember, that for much of Yelena's adult life she has been a tool, constantly told what to do. She is not used or practiced at having freedom.

People get this notion that freedom is "automatic", that the second a person's chains are broken they just become this perfectly autonomous human being. But freedom is like anything else, using it takes practice....getting comfortable with the idea that suddenly your choices matter, and that means the responsibility of those choices is on you now. Thinking for yourself requires... thinking, and thinking can be very hard.

All of that to say is, Yelena is used to taking orders and punching things....that is a lot easier to her than having to think critically, assess the morality of her actions, etc. Combine that with the anger of her sister's death and the desire for revenge, yeah I could totally see her going off the deep end a bit.

 

[Stalker0]

One question I do have... why is Clint's family so in the spotlight now?

In previous movies, Clint basically had a secret family, so secret that people like Tony Stark didn't know about them. Now they are out in New York city, and people suddenly have their names on lists. Was it the Blip that made Clint decide he didn't want to hide them anymore, or maybe the logistics that they are getting older and just can't be kept hidden as much anymore?

As far as I know that has never really been addressed.

 

[Bolares]

One question I do have... why is Clint's family so in the spotlight now?

Because he is basically retired. He retired back in avenger 2 actually, but got ropped back in on the civil war, and then got house arrested (and made peace with it). He became Ronin when his family "died". He is working again now because of the ronin suit.

 

[MarkB]

One question I do have... why is Clint's family so in the spotlight now?

In previous movies, Clint basically had a secret family, so secret that people like Tony Stark didn't know about them. Now they are out in New York city, and people suddenly have their names on lists. Was it the Blip that made Clint decide he didn't want to hide them anymore, or maybe the logistics that they are getting older and just can't be kept hidden as much anymore?

As far as I know that has never really been addressed.

It hasn't, but one possibility is that their identities became public knowledge in the wake of the Snap - there was no longer any need to keep their connection to him secret, so he attended their funerals, acknowledged their existence, etc., sometime before he spiralled down to becoming Ronin.

And then they got unsnapped, but keeping his connection to them hidden was no longer an option.

 

[Tonguez]

It does seem likely that Laura Barton was/is an agent of some kind, but I very much doubt that the watch is hers. It’s waaay to fancy/expensive/conspicuous for the Bartons.
. If it were Laura’s, I’d expect it to be much more practical than showy.

thats a fair assessment, but due to the active transmitter, I'd assume it was SHIELD issued (and Stark designed) so would have been okay for that mission. Clint did describe it as belonging to someone I used to work with whose been out of the game a long time.

Indeed. And since she hasn't actually killed Clint yet, there's every reason to suspect that she is doing her research, and going to the only source available. In other words, she likely plans to ask him some very pointed questions rather than just killing him outright.

That was my assessment too -this attack was Yelena doing research, hence her stylish exit

As to the source of the Ronin photo (and the list of names) - Kates mother owns a security company with cameras all over the city. Swordsman is a red herring (nuff said )

 

[MarkB]

thats a fair assessment, but due to the active transmitter, I'd assume it was SHIELD issued (and Stark designed) so would have been okay for that mission. Clint did describe it as belonging to someone I used to work with whose been out of the game a long time.

I did wonder if maybe it was Natasha's. It's also too flashy for her, but not necessarily for one or another of her cover identities.

 

[pukunui]

2 Why do you think its Tonys Watch? I dont think Clint would be so concerned about it tying back to his family if it was Tonys watch.

Because Tony is the only one who's been shown with an interest in expensive watches. He was depicted selecting one from several options at least twice previously. Also, Clint is the one who was meant to keep the Avengers grounded, so perhaps he made himself the protector of the remains of the Avengers compound.

I'm going off that precedent. However, I acknowledge it may be that the show wants me to think it's Tony's watch.

If it isn't, I think it's more likely a relic from Clint's era as Ronin. Even if his wife was a SHIELD agent prior to getting married (and that could explain how they met - perhaps she was based in Germany - and it could also explain Clint's comment about it belonging to someone he used to work with who's been out of the game for a long time), she was never an Avenger, so why would her watch have been kept in the Avengers compound?

If it's a Ronin relic, that could also explain why Maya was after it.

Maybe the watch was Clint's - given to him by Tony - and the tracker was so Laura could keep tabs on him.
Or maybe it was Laura's from when she was an active field agent and Clint kept it in his room at the compound as a memento or something (and/or so the built-in tracker couldn't be used to find his wife and family).

Hopefully they'll explain it by the last episode.