Healing Surges innate Blessed band aids

qstor said:
I really have to see this in action in 4e Modern...wow I took 3 M16 rounds...but I'm ok now! Come on....

"Sarge, you hit?"
"Don't worry, it's just a flesh wound. Now let's get those sons of bitches."

Here endeth the lesson.
 

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Plus, it doesn't count the DC 15 Mass Damage save, which for a d20 modern character is pretty easy to fail until you hit 10th level or so.
 

Heh.
Do we have all NPC/PC's with such a strong adrenaline (or other chemical substance.. Barbarians are all on PCP!) hence immune to shock?

Unless a wound damages the heart or the brain, or the circulatory system between them, only shock causes the shutdown of systems.

Removal of shock, for whatever reason, can lead to situations like the above.

However, such cases are obviously rare, and I don't think that is what the HP system is intended to model.
 

HERO 5e: Every character regains their Recovery in both Stun and Endurance after every few actions, and can spend an action recovering to do it extra times as often as they want.

Granted, that only heals Stun damage and not Body damage... but D&D doesn't have separate resources like that. It's all hit points in D&D.

It's best to think of all the hit points in D&D being analogous to HERO's Stun points. You don't take significant "Body damage" until you're killed.
 
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VannATLC said:
Unless a wound damages the heart or the brain, or the circulatory system between them, only shock causes the shutdown of systems.
"Although stab wounds to the heart are generally imagined to be instantly incapacitating, numerous modern medical case histories indicate that while victims of such wounds may immediately collapse upon being wounded, rapid disability from this type of wound is by no means certain. Many present-day victims of penetrating wounds involving the lungs and the great vessels of the thorax have also demonstrated a remarkable ability to remain physically active minutes to hours after their wounds were inflicted. These cases are consistent with reports of duelists who, subsequent to having been grievously or even mortally wounded through the chest, neck, or abdomen, nevertheless remained actively engaged upon the terrain and fully able to continue long enough to dispatch those who had wounded them. "

http://www.classicalfencing.com/articles/bloody.php
 

Tell that to somebody who loses an aorta, instead of just some of the muscle.

While it's not *impossible* the lack of blood flow to the muscles will shutdown the injured party within a minute or two, tops. Probably less, if they have already been exerting themselves.
 

Wormwood said:
"Sarge, you hit?"
"Don't worry, it's just a flesh wound. Now let's get those sons of bitches."

Here endeth the lesson.

"Wow, that goblin harpooner impaled you and dragged you half across the battlefield, kicking and screaming with the weapon going through your gut and out your spine! How do you feel?"

"I'll be perfectly OK in five minutes."

Hit points as pure abstraction of fate/luck/bruising/etc works only so long as there's no game effects which explicitly do direct injury. It's like having a vorpal sword chop off a limb -- which can then heal back fully without any kind of magic. If you want abstract hit points (and they work fine in D&D), then, eliminate non-abstract mechanics. You can't break bones, sever limbs, gouge eyes, etc, and have the hit point system work.

I have no problem with 4e making it absolutely explicit that no injury but the last one does more than trivial damage. I do have a problem when, having established this rule, they then ignore it. It says the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing, and when a game is as interconnected as D&D, that's worrisome.
 

Yet another complaint thread with little substance behind it.

Simply put, healing surges are the real hit points of the game.

And gstor gets on the ignore list.
 

Lizard said:
"Wow, that goblin harpooner impaled you and dragged you half across the battlefield, kicking and screaming with the weapon going through your gut and out your spine! How do you feel?"

"I'll be perfectly OK in five minutes."

The harpoon one I can live with, though, because most PCs aren't naked --they at least have clothing to latch into as well as skin and meat.
 

VannATLC said:
Tell that to somebody who loses an aorta, instead of just some of the muscle.

While it's not *impossible* the lack of blood flow to the muscles will shutdown the injured party within a minute or two, tops. Probably less, if they have already been exerting themselves.
Just let me add a coment to those articles I posted: That happens to normal people, commoners. Imagine what fantasy heroes could take! ;)
 

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