Help me out with the details of a demon encounter

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I'm working on a high level encounter with a demon. I want to have the demon appear in human form. This is easily done with a hand wave. But, I would like to cover it with the D&D 3.5 rules.

So far I'm figuring to use Polymorph to change to a human form followed by a misdirection.

How might this be foiled by players? Not that players should not be able to figure it out. But, I'd like to make it sufficiently difficult. I figure powerful demons are smarter than I am and might think of a better plan.

I'm also also trying to decide on which demon to use. At this time I was thinking of Balor. But I'm not sure that this this fits the character of the situation. I need a demon that is powerful, but one that would also meddle in mortal affairs covertly. Give me some alternate suggestions.
 

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Personally, I'd use a Glabrezu. It perfectly fits the description of "Powerful demon that meddles in mortal affairs covertly."

Then, if you have the Fiend Folio, I'd apply the Fiend of Corruption PRC to it. IIRC, the PRC gives an Alternate Form ability, so you don't have to give it a polymorph item or suchlike. Also it should give you all the social abilities you could want.

Since even a 6th level Glabrezu Fiend of Corruption is no match for a balor, though, if you want it to be that effective in combat, you'll have to apply some other templates or class levels to it. 2 levels of Blackguard should be appropriate. Dark Blessing sends its saving throws through the roof with its high charisma, and Smite Good adds to its attack bonus.

It's up to you if you want to just keep its natural attack routine (The glabrezu's is pretty good) but if not, you could give it a weapon to hold in its claws. Ì suggest a greataxe. A huge greataxe deals something like 3d8 points of damage, and you get the nice 2-for-1 power attack ratio. Plus, you can still make pincer and bite attacks... (A word of advice: The glabrezu has Improved Grab, but unless it has allies who can occupy the other PCs, don't grapple one unless you can crush him in short order. While you're occupied, the others will surround you and chop you to pieces.)

Replace the Confusion power with Charm Monster, so you qualify for Fiend of Corruption, and you're good to go. (Personally, I'd also replace Mirror Image with Displacement, because I find Mirror Image to be a headache of unthinkable proportions. But that's up to you, of course.)

Here's the feats I would suggest: Power Attack, Cleave, Improved Sunder (For Blackguard), Combat Expertise (For keeping the AC up to par), Extra Smiting x2 (To rely on smites, it has to smite more than once per day), Multiattack. If you give it AC-boosting items, or armor, so it doesn't need Combat Expertise, you could give it Quicken Spell-like ability (mirror image/displacement, or dispel magic), to give it a little more presence in the fight. I give it to almost all high-level outsiders, so they don't get out-actioned quite so badly. Or you could look at some of the suggestions below.

Apply the Elite array to the standard glabrezu's scores, as well as the two points for class levels, and you end up with something like this:

Str 35, Dex 12, Con 33, Int 16, Wis 14, Cha 26 (+4 +2 +2 +0 -2 +6)

If you need an even tougher opponent, add more Blackguard levels, or levels in Fiend of Blasphemy (also from Fiend Folio). And remember to give it CR-appropriate gear. (I tend to use gear as an NPC of its CR, but that's up to you of course)

Technically, if you add more than 8 levels (6 fiend of corruption, 2 blackguard) it gets 21 HD and is eligible for epic feats. That might be too nasty for your PCs, but if not, I suggest Great Smiting. Good non-epic feats include Combat Reflexes, Improved Initiative, Empower Spell-Like ability (Unholy blight), Improved Natural Attack (pincer), or Combat Brute (From Complete Warrior, that one's evil)
If you don't have Complete Warrior, you can find Combat Brute here: http://realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Combat_Brute,CW
There's a bunch of other feats on that page, too.
Good luck!
 
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I'd go with a succubus, it is CR 7 but that is easily increased through advancement or class levels.

It has the definite advantage of coming with the already defined Change Shape ability and can by default turn itself into "the form of any Small or Medium humanoid." Also they are normally sent into the mortal world as demonic agents to mess with mortals.
 


I agree with the Succubus, change shape ability, very meddlesome, likes to charm, and just level it up, I always like to throw true Psion levels in with my monsters to give them added power. With Psionics you could really beef up the natural attacks of the Succubus. Or you could just make up your own Demon. Get creative, Balor template, abilities of a Succubus, and go from there. Just use the MM and DMG to up your CR level as you add abilities.
 

I'm working on a high level encounter with a demon. I want to have the demon appear in human form. This is easily done with a hand wave. But, I would like to cover it with the D&D 3.5 rules.

So far I'm figuring to use Polymorph to change to a human form followed by a misdirection.

How might this be foiled by players? Not that players should not be able to figure it out. But, I'd like to make it sufficiently difficult. I figure powerful demons are smarter than I am and might think of a better plan.

I'm also also trying to decide on which demon to use. At this time I was thinking of Balor. But I'm not sure that this this fits the character of the situation. I need a demon that is powerful, but one that would also meddle in mortal affairs covertly. Give me some alternate suggestions.

well, any illusion/shape change is potentially foiled by the True Seeing spell, which is available to clerics as a level 5 spell and wizards/sorcerers as a level 6.

I don't really see Balors as the shapechanging disguise-y types. A succubus with levels in sorcerer or psion? A succubus with levels in rogue or similar can take several ranks in disguise and defeat True Seeing the natural way (well, after she shape changes her wings & horns "away") - put on a cloak over where the wings would be and a hat to cover where the horns were and you've beaten the disguise

You'd also need to disguise alignment - a level 1 paladin is going to be able to detect her evil presence without help.
 



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