Help Pricing Magic Items

[Samothdm]

I'm trying to create some new magic items but I'm having problems with the pricing. I'm using the DMG as a guidelines but I can't always back into the costs that they give to certain items while using table 7-33.

For example, the 'circlet of persuasion' grants the bearer a +3 bonus to his Charisma score as per the spell Eagle's Splendor.

The caster level of this item is 5th and it requires eagle's splendor, a 2nd level spell. There is no discussion of a command word in the item's description so I would assume that the effect lasts as long as the person wears the circlet. There is also no discussion of charges.

So, following that logic, on table 7-33, a "use-activated or continuous" item has a base price of:

Spell Level x Caster Level x 2,000 GP. By that logic, the 'circlet of persuasion' should have a Base Price of: 2 x 5 x 2,000 = 20,000 GP. Add to that the footnote on table 7-33 which indicates that if the item duplicates a spell with a duration of 1 minute/level then you multiply the cost by 2. So, in this case, 20,000 x 2 = 40,000.

Yet the actual item is priced in the DMG as only 4,500.

So, what am I doing wrong?

 

[Malicene]

I can't find the breakdown too but :
circlet of persuasion doesn't reproduce a spell effect, as it give wearer +3 on Cha based skill check, not on Cha Stat nor it reproduce Eagle splendor (cloak of charisma)

so it should be a competence bonus item (bonus square x 100 gp)
but it give 3 x 3 x 100 : 900 gp
this is to give +3 to only one Skill.

circlet of persuasion give +3 to EVERY cha skills !
just check there is 8 Cha skills ....and 900 x 8 don't give us 4500


so I really don't know, certainly have to brekdown things another way but can't find it !

 

[Magic Slim]

Perhaps they only meant for it to affect 5 Cha-based skills?

What does Persuasivness have to do with Use Magic Device anyways?

Slim

 

[Samothdm]

Okay, that does help quite a bit since I was obviously reading the item description incorrectly.

How about an item that gives +2 to attacks, damage, saves, skill checks and AC to all allies within 30' (kind of reproducing some of the bardic inspirational abilities)? How would one go about pricing that?

 

[Samothdm]

Help! My post is falling to the bottom.
*bump*

 

[LokiDR]

Aren't there higher level clerical spells that give several bonuses to all allies in a range? I would suggest prayer, but it looks like you want even more than that.

 

[Samothdm]

Sure, that totally might work. Where I'm getting tripped up is just in general trying to figure out the prices. I price the items according to the formulas in the DMG and on Table 7-33 but 9 times out of 10 I come up with a price that's a lot more than what the DMG prices the same item at. And, for some of the items I want to create, such as something that adds a bonus to a person's Leadership score, I can't find an equivalent item in the DMG to use as a template. There are a few but they all also do something else so I can't figure out how much of the price is coming from the leadership bonus.

 

[jabberwocky]

circlet of persuasion give +3 to EVERY cha skills !
just check there is 8 Cha skills ....and 900 x 8 don't give us 4500

But 900 x 5 does give us 4500. I think its much like uses/day compared to at will. 5/day is priced the same as useable constantly, so something that gives competence bonuses across the board for a specific set of stat-based skills is also modified by 5.

For the inspirational item, you can base it off Good Hope. +2 morale bonus on saving throws, attack rolls, ability checks, skill checks, and weapon damage rolls. 3rd level bard spell, so 3(spell level)*7(minimum bard level)*2000(continuous item)*2(duration 1 min/level) = 84,000 gp.

 

[Malicene]

I was on the same thinking as not all character gets skills rank in the 8 different skills ! so they quote as 5 (almost half+)


concerning Use Magical device : the answer is yes Cha helps as you're to fool the items and use it not normally allowed to !


bye

 

[Samothdm]

Thanks for your help, everyone! I knew that by posting here I'd get some help on this. It seems that pricing magic items is a little more "gut instinct" than I thought at first, but I really do appreciate all of the help.