HELP! Rogue/Ranger Tiefling too powerful?!

[Camarath]

He will not be able to take Outsider Wings at 6th level unless he takes a class with a Good will save. If he stays with his current classes he needs either 6th lv rouge or a 3rd lv rogue and a 3rd lv ranger or fighter (with a 2nd lv in the other class to avoid multiclassing penalties) so the earliest he could take it would be 9th.

 

[Camarath]

As another note, I assume you're ignoring the regional feat prerequisites. Fiendish Bloodline requires the character to be from Mulhorand, Thay, or Unther; Twin Sword Style requires the character to be from Sembia, Waterdeep, or be a drow -- so if you're using those prereq's, the character can't take both feats.

There is no regional prerequisite listed under Fiendish Bloodline's prerequisites.

 

[Camarath]

Oh, I posted a reworking of the character on page one of this thread if anyone wants to see it.

 

[Destil]

I suggest throwing massive amounts of air at him. Flying creatures are treated as one size class smaller than nomrmal on the wind chart in the DMG, and even modrate winds can seriouslly hamper a small PC. Control Air (psionic power) is very good for this.

 

[Blasphemonkey]

Even better, just have him roll and record the number of HPs you're subtracting, then when he actually goes up the level again, add the same amount back.

What a simple solution to it. Thanks, mmu1.

 

[Blasphemonkey]

Only if he took his first three character levels as a Rogue. Order matters. If the third level was Rog2/Rgr1, he wouldn't qualify for the Fiendish Bloodline feat at 3rd level, because at 3rd level he'd still have a +0 save.

His character was started at 4th level, since when he joined the group, everyone was fifth at that time. We just made him a Rogue 3/Ranger 1 when he started. I'm don't remember now which order he took the levels in, or even if he remembers, but I'll ask. I'm willing to give him the benefit of a doubt, unless he does say that he took a level of Ranger before his 3rd level of Rogue.

FRCS has the basic racial stats (and Twin Sword Style feat); Races of Faerun has the outsider feats. Since the player's using them, I assume he has them -- just borrow them and read the appropriate sections.

If there are any lessons to be learned here for DM's, they are (1) check your players' work, 'cause they'll make mistakes, and (2) make sure you read the races/class/feat/skill/spell descriptions yourself, so you know what they can/can't do, and how they work. It doesn't matter how much you trust your players; there is no substitute for understanding the mechanics yourself.

Enjoy!

I completely agree. Everyone can make mistakes, whether they be a misunderstanding of the rules, or just a typo of sorts. I'm actually going to buy at least those two books myself I think (still debating). They do look to be pretty interesting, and it'll be easier for future reference as well.

 

[Blasphemonkey]

He will not be able to take Outsider Wings at 6th level unless he takes a class with a Good will save. If he stays with his current classes he needs either 6th lv rouge or a 3rd lv rogue and a 3rd lv ranger or fighter (with a 2nd lv in the other class to avoid multiclassing penalties) so the earliest he could take it would be 9th.

Regarding the Ranger's will save, he says that the Errata states that at 1st level, the Ranger gets a + 2 Will save, so it's Fort + 2, Reflex + 0, Will + 2 for Rangers. I'm not sure if this is correct (maybe I have an old errata because I couldn't find it), but if 3.5 would come out already I could check it. So in any case, that leaves him will a Will Base Save of + 3 (he got another + 1 to Will at one of his Rogue levels).

Oh, and the Tiefling's favored class is Rogue, so as long as he keeps those Fighter and Ranger levels from getting too far apart, he won't get an xp penalty.

This is a really complicated character. He says he's been playing for many years and had many different characters, and this is his most complex one. Oh, lucky me.

Up to 106 posts now??? Everyone wants to help the monkey, thanks so much!

 

[clark411]

The PHB errata is here: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/phb_corrections.zip

And I looked. Rangers do not get Good will saves. :/

 

[Camarath]

Rangers do not get good will saves. The classes with good will saves are Bard, Cleric, Druid, Monk, Sorcerer, and Wizard. In 3.5 the ranger will get good fortitude and reflex saves and a poor will save (I think this is the case, I am not certain on this point).

 

[Camarath]

I completely agree. Everyone can make mistakes, whether they be a misunderstanding of the rules, or just a typo of sorts. I'm actually going to buy at least those two books myself I think (still debating). They do look to be pretty interesting, and it'll be easier for future reference as well.

I tend not to let people use things in books I don't own. I do make exceptions if they let me barrow the book for a wile and make some copies of the appropriate rules.