CyberSpyder
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Squire James said:
Actually, you could argue that darkness is simply the shadow cast by the earth being between you and the sun...
HELP! Rogue/Ranger Tiefling too powerful?!
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Actually, you could argue that darkness is simply the shadow cast by the earth being between you and the sun...
LuYangShih
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Camarath said:
Very well. It is ROGUE, not rouge.
Blasphemonkey
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babomb said:
Thanks for jogging my memory, since he joined us last winter I kind of forgot. He placed his highest rolls into Dex and Int, and then increased one of them by +1 for 4th level. This makes his original rolls look like: 14 Str, 16 Dex (now add +2 racial), 14 Con, 15 Int (add +2 racial, add +1 at 4th level), 14 Wis, 11 Cha (now -2 racial) = 14, 18, 14, 18, 14, 9. He still rolled very well, but it's a bit more reasonable when you figure in those racial and level modifiers.
Interesting, though, how great Tiefling is for a rogue (unless you want to be a dashing, charismatic sort of rogue).
Blasphemonkey
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Aww, come on!
You guys...Camarath did so much work and thought on this, and you're criticizing his spelling. How rong of you!
Seriously though, thank you, Camarath, the monkey truly appreciates this. It'll help a lot.
While I'm writing here, I have two questions:
Can Tieflings see in the darkness they create? While he does have darkvision, I know he can't see in magical darkness. However, he argued that it wouldn't make sense that he couldn't see in his own darkness. Yet I can find no mention that he can, anywhere. Plus, sorcerors/wizards who cast darkness can't see in it. Obviously he loves to sneak attack foes within his darkness, but he doesn't do it that often because the rest of the group is at a disadvantage. And would he be able to dismiss the darkness? Any thoughts on this? I'm just in the dark about it...ooooh...sorry.
The other question is regarding the ranger's favored enemy. He made his favored enemy Devils, as he is "reformed," being neutral good, and making his arch-enemy his naaasty half-fiend father (who I am making one of the main enemies of the campaign - and I'm thinking of "grandpa" being one of the head honchos in Hell/Baator). Now, does having favored enemy as Devils mean that he can recognize any demon he comes across, as well as their powers? Like (in game here), "Ahhh, that's a Barbazu. It can attack with it's beard and possibly give you a disease called devil chills, it can cause bleeding wounds, etc etc etc..." How much can a Ranger/Rogue/Tiefling with a Fiendish Bloodline know about devils and demons (I think demons would be the next favored enemy). I can find no mention of this in the PHB or DMG, maybe somewhere else, like one of the builder books? I can see how he should be able to recognize them for who they are, since they are his favored enemy and "know thy enemy," but where's the limit?
Thanks everyone again for all your advice.
PS - The monkey's favored enemy is bad drivers.
You guys...Camarath did so much work and thought on this, and you're criticizing his spelling. How rong of you!
Seriously though, thank you, Camarath, the monkey truly appreciates this. It'll help a lot.
While I'm writing here, I have two questions:
Can Tieflings see in the darkness they create? While he does have darkvision, I know he can't see in magical darkness. However, he argued that it wouldn't make sense that he couldn't see in his own darkness. Yet I can find no mention that he can, anywhere. Plus, sorcerors/wizards who cast darkness can't see in it. Obviously he loves to sneak attack foes within his darkness, but he doesn't do it that often because the rest of the group is at a disadvantage. And would he be able to dismiss the darkness? Any thoughts on this? I'm just in the dark about it...ooooh...sorry.
The other question is regarding the ranger's favored enemy. He made his favored enemy Devils, as he is "reformed," being neutral good, and making his arch-enemy his naaasty half-fiend father (who I am making one of the main enemies of the campaign - and I'm thinking of "grandpa" being one of the head honchos in Hell/Baator). Now, does having favored enemy as Devils mean that he can recognize any demon he comes across, as well as their powers? Like (in game here), "Ahhh, that's a Barbazu. It can attack with it's beard and possibly give you a disease called devil chills, it can cause bleeding wounds, etc etc etc..." How much can a Ranger/Rogue/Tiefling with a Fiendish Bloodline know about devils and demons (I think demons would be the next favored enemy). I can find no mention of this in the PHB or DMG, maybe somewhere else, like one of the builder books? I can see how he should be able to recognize them for who they are, since they are his favored enemy and "know thy enemy," but where's the limit?
Thanks everyone again for all your advice.
PS - The monkey's favored enemy is bad drivers.
Olgar Shiverstone
Legend
The darkness special ability works exactly like the spell of the same name: same size & duration, dismissable, and no, his darkvision doesn't work inside it.
As to knowledge: DM's call. Personally, I'd give him a synergy bonus equal to his favored enemy bonus on all knowledge checks related to his favored enemy.
As to knowledge: DM's call. Personally, I'd give him a synergy bonus equal to his favored enemy bonus on all knowledge checks related to his favored enemy.
Blasphemonkey
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Good idea with the synergy bonus, thanks Olgar.
He hasn't yet tried to dismiss his darkness, even when it seems like it might be an opportune time to do so. Though he could be upset when I rule "you can't see in there, it was a mistake that I let you, sorry," he may be placated by knowing he can dismiss it at will.
He hasn't yet tried to dismiss his darkness, even when it seems like it might be an opportune time to do so. Though he could be upset when I rule "you can't see in there, it was a mistake that I let you, sorry," he may be placated by knowing he can dismiss it at will.
Camarath
Pale Master Tarrasque
Blasphemonkey said:
His Darkness is 1/d and has a duration of 10 minutes/level so 50 minutes at his current level. And, his Darkvision can't see through it.
Blasphemonkey said:
If he is Neutral Good you might consider changing the benifits of Fiendish Bloodline from Protection from Good 3/d and Bane 1/d to either Protection from Evil 3/d and Bless 1/d (same as Celestial Bloodline) or to See In Magical Darkness like the normal Devil ability (this would be fun but powerful so becareful if you chose to do this). The synergy bonus would be a nice bonus not too powerful but very flavorful.
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Camarath
Pale Master Tarrasque
LuYangShih said:
Did you ever condiser that just maybe he really is red?
You colorist pigs sicken me. 
There is just no love for the red people. 
So what if he wants to paint himself up red? So what if he meets a lot of "friends" on the streets? 
Some people are just friendly like that. 
Who are you to judge him? Who are you to tell him he can't be the "Painted Lady" of his dreams? It is his life style choice and his profession and you have no right to take it from him. 
(this is a joke only a joke
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