D&D 5E Here's why we want a Psion class

[Mistwell]

So your argument is that monsters use a COMPLETELY different psionics system than players do, just like they use a COMPLETELY different magic system. Oh, wait...

My argument is Monsters in the MM who have the Innate Spellcasting ability are not using an ability which is even specific to Psionics, much less general for PCs. It is UNQUESTIONABLY not the "rules as written" for PCs. For spells, for Psionics, for ANYTHING.

HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW THIS?

Have you never even DM'ed 5e Max?

 

[dave2008]

The Jedi don't use components. All of the powers where they wave their hands and such, they also have used in film while not doing anything at all. The handwaving just makes it easier on the viewer to tell. It's not a requirement.

That is your interpretation, but I would have no idea what raw was. it could be as you get more powerful you don't need to use the somatic components. Or course yoda and luke pretty much always did (except when practicing with rocks for some reason). The only thing I know from the greater star wars fiction is the Dart Vadar couldn't use force lightning because he couldn't use his hands (which I think is bogus). So that is at least one psionic ability that requires a somatic component.
The jedi also seem to definite have to use verbal component to use their "jedi mind tricks"

 

[dave2008]

So your argument is that monsters use a COMPLETELY different psionics system than players do, just like they use a COMPLETELY different magic system. Oh, wait...

Innate Spellcasting, which you are referencing is not a PC ability it is monster only. So basically yes. And the new UA, which you seem to ignore, appears to agree with this analysis.

 

[Guest 6801328]

Actually, if it was a rule then the MM wouldn't have to say "without components". Because it would be a rule, right?

 

[Guest 6801328]

So your argument is that monsters use a COMPLETELY different psionics system than players do, just like they use a COMPLETELY different magic system. Oh, wait...

Um, yes.

The monsters in question use "Innate Spellcasting". Which is not what PCs use.

Oh, wait @dave2008 beat me to it.

 

[Minigiant]

Teleportation is definitely a psychic 'thing' in general parlance so I'm fine with it being around

Of objects maybe. Especially between planes.

But general teleportation?

 

[Mecheon]

Of objects maybe. Especially between planes.

But general teleportation?

Yup? Levitation, teleportation, reading minds to dodge attacks. Not just psychic only, but definitely something that psychics have been seen to do in other media

 

[Minigiant]

Yup? Levitation, teleportation, reading minds to dodge attacks. Not just psychic only, but definitely something that psychics have been seen to do in other media

I would roll levitate into self telekinesis. Reading minds is telepathy.

 

[Maxperson]

Um, yes.

The monsters in question use "Innate Spellcasting". Which is not what PCs use.

Oh, wait @dave2008 beat me to it.

Ooooookay. So you guys DO think that there are two completely oppositional systems.

Monsters aren't set up the same way, but the magic is still the same for monsters and PCs. A monster spellcaster still uses components and is bound by the PHB rules for spells. Psionics is no different. If monsters don't use components for their psionics, neither will PCs.

Edit: The Mystic, though abandoned, shows WotC's stance on this. They required no components, which makes sense as you aren't going to put in two opposing systems for psionics.

 

[FlyingChihuahua]

Ooooookay. So you guys DO think that there are two completely oppositional systems.

Monsters aren't set up the same way, but the magic is still the same for monsters and PCs. A monster spellcaster still uses components and is bound by the PHB rules for spells. Psionics is no different. If monsters don't use components for their psionics, neither will PCs.

You are correct on this, actually.

When you look at the MM Drow's innate spellcasting and the Drow PC's innate spellcasting (well, not specifically with the Drow, but with later races like Aasimar, they call out that you don't need material components, and I have no reason to doubt it's not the same with Drow.), they both say they don't need material components.

Two things however, One, that would mean Innate Spellcasting (Psionic) would not be the same as using Psionics as part of your class, and it would also mean that Psionic abilities would be affected by Counterspell and Anti-Magic Fields.