Heroes Season [Volume] 2 (#31)---11/12/07-'Four Months Ago'

[Darkwolf71]

That's Highlander's immortality; there is no evidence at all to suggest that is the way it works in Heroes.

Unless we assume that Takezo/Adam has never been injured in any way there actually is evidence that it works that way. Or at least in a way very similar.

The 'Undying' of Robert Adams Horseclans novels work similarly. An Undying could live a full, normal life and die of old age. End of story. However, if that same person were to be killed in a violent manner in combat (or even murdered by their husband on their wedding night)... that somehow triggers the immortality, regenerating the fatal injury and could conceivably allow them to live forever.

Not saying that is how it works in Heroes, but Kensai certainly did not seem to have any knowledge of his regenerative abilities before being drilled in the chest with an arrow.

 

[DonTadow]

Adam may have killed Hiro's mother (we never hear or see her ). My prediction is that we will hear about an epic battle between Hiro's dad and Adam that left Adam in prison, running the company from within.

 

[Vocenoctum]

We also don't know if Sylar contracted the virus in the wild. It is entirely possible that he was exposed to the virus by accident as Molly Walker probably contracted the disease in the wild and her parents - who Sylar had intimate contact with - may also have had it and passed it on to Sylar.

And then again, it is possible that he was deliberately given the virus during his recovery to keep him under control - and that we has put in a remote area of Mexico to keep his existence secret and further isolate him given his infection.

I think one of the main constraints is that this "virus" isn't very virusy. First appeared in Mohinder's sister, then a dozen years later in Molly. Then at some point, The Haitian and Sylar.

Also, I may not be a doctor, but doesn't it seem odd to inject Mohinders blood into people as a cure? I'm willing to chalk that up to Plot Device too, but usually such things would be, I dunno, refined and grown in a lab...

Next, we throw in some roachs that raise Sylar, and that powers continue to grow...

So, did Adam's control of his own body lead to a control over others? Can he cause plagues, or travel through insect brains?

Also, there was the mention of snow in miami almost being a global event, and it somehow being Adam's fault. Right?

 

[Vocenoctum]

Actually, Sylar's healing rate is entirely plausible. Multiple internal surgeries and four months later he's still pretty screwed up? That's about right. If anything, his incision should have healed by this point and it is only the later surgeries which explain why it has not.

I think the main issue with Sylar is that for me, he was clearly dead.

Then they dragged his corpse through the sewer, to... er, somewhere.

From Somewhere, he was moved to a mexican shack to recuperate.

We also learn that he is under the effects of the "Virus" at this point, which is concurrently debilitating the Haitian, who is in much better shape.

Then he crawled across Mexico for 3 days until he found Snooze twins to ease him back into life with boring stories in a different language.

So, not only was he under such harsh conditions throughout his "recovery", but he somehow managed not to commit suicide during the long drive?

These things just reek of unbelievability.

 

[Vocenoctum]

If we don't have a bad Adam after that whole scene with 'everything you hold dear, I will destroy', it'll be very screwy. I mean, they didn't even make it clear that he successfully destroyed Yaeko after regening, so that would mean that unless he continues to be evil, he made the vow and then never carries through at all. That would be...I don't know the right word--uncinematic, maybe?

I'd go with Anticlimactic assuming they don't give any real character growth on screen, and I doubt they will. This is the same series that ended an episode with Peter about to explode, Claire drawing a gun to end him and his threat... then next episode he goes "no, wait, I'm better now" and she puts the gun away and they have a nice conversation...

Do keep in mind though, that the season is half a season. The Hiro/Adam plot might not see fruition. They look to be taking The Paintings head on, and I'm of a mind that The Virus will be resolved by MiniFinale, but it's possible we won't see any more of Hiro until whenever there's another season.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

I liked this episode.

A couple of points that were brought up:
1) Nuclear Explosions & EMPs:
I don't know enough about nukes to say if there always has to be an EMP. If Peter just created a lot of radiation instead of a "classical" nuclear explosion, this might explain the lack of the electro magnetic pulse. There are definitely some differences between a real nuclear explosion and Peters explosion. (A normal nuke would probably leave a lot of radioactive material behind, but Peters explosion did not)

2) Isaacs Painting:
It is true that we know the events depicted in his paintings can be averted. But not all of them are, and people have to do something to avoid it (and usually they do it in reaction to the paintings). Sometimes, there are still costs associated with preventing the events. (DL and Nathan getting seriously injured, the other Chearleader getting killed by Sylar instead of Claire). The paintings are still interesting, and they seem a nice way to motivate people.

Some questions:
Why doesn't the company want Adam to use his blood to help others? Or was that just a lie he invented, and he himself refused to use the blood for the company, at least not on their terms?
Is it possible that Adam did find Hiro as a young child, and his attack on Hiro (or Hiros friends) forced the Company to remove him from his position and put him into his cell?

 

[Mark]

I think Adam is and always will be the Company. I think that "genetics" are the key to the show's plotting and characters and that a hero passes on their ability to an offspring if they mate with a non-hero but if two heroes mate it morphs into a new ability. Fly boy might be Nathan's real kid. Elle might be trailerpark woman's real kid (energy power). I still think Angela has "the voice" (making that other voicegirl her actual child). Claire might be Linderman's real kid, and Linderman might be Adam's real kid. I think there is a big board in the writer's room with a bunch of family trees (like future-Hiro's timeline) that they jumbled up, with plausible explanations, and now they write stories to untangle them all.

Hmm, I don't think so. Mainly because I think that would be far to powerful an ability to give to Sylar. There's a love intrest growing with Maya and Sylar. I think he will find a way to kill Alejandro and take his power so he can keep Maya close and emotionally dependant on him instead of her brother as she is now.

Watch Sylar eat them both, thus being able to use Maya's power and then calm himself down afterward.

I think the main point of dissension isn't that we want them not acting human. It's that I don't see these huge gaping plot holes and inconsistency as a feature. Hiro's power works as it will at the moment, DL can go incorporeal when the plot calls for it, rather than logically following any chain of reasoning. We're supposed to feel pressure from Isaac's paintings, even though they've already (post explosion) proven to be changed.

You seem to suspect a plot device/hole when an immediate explanation is not given.

 

[Darkwolf71]

Watch Sylar eat them both, thus being able to use Maya's power and then calm himself down afterward.

As I said, that is far too much power to give Sylar. The ability to kill hundreds of people at a time. Think about it, Maya wiped out an entire village the first time her power manifested. Far too much power for Sylar.

IMHO, of course. He may indeed kill both of them, but I think that would be a huge mistake for the story.

 

[WayneLigon]

Why doesn't the company want Adam to use his blood to help others? Or was that just a lie he invented, and he himself refused to use the blood for the company, at least not on their terms?

I think they might know what his blood can do. If he is their prisoner and he is telling the truth, I certainly can't imagine they didn't experiment on him.

If I were them, I'd be looking for a way to duplicate his blood's effects so that I could rule the world with the wealth and power the ability to cure all injury and disease would give me.

 

[DonTadow]

What if at some point regeneration can be trained to degeneration (no cross chops folks). What if adam can break down cells as well as he can repair them. We've seen all the other powers get exponentially better.