Hey Man; it's not worth it...
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One thing I've really come to hate over the past 10 yrs or so are the scenes where the cop is torturing the bad guy you know the "I make my self sick every night thinking about all the rights you have, but I'm going to make you suffer until you tell me where/how/etc. to find/save/make happy face paintings...". The audience is basically set up to cheer for what is in reality an unforgivable act from someone in authority, simply because they KNOW that he is doing "the right thing", because he's the HERO and the victim is the BAD GUY.
Life is almost never that clear cut and the simple fact is that if you permit torture, then you will eventually wind up with an organization full of people that have no compuctions about using torture. Clearly guilty or most probably innocent. Laws and rules are how you prevent that from occuring.
Life is almost never that clear cut and the simple fact is that if you permit torture, then you will eventually wind up with an organization full of people that have no compuctions about using torture. Clearly guilty or most probably innocent. Laws and rules are how you prevent that from occuring.
reapersaurus
Explorer
This might sound strange to some people, but this is one of the many reasons I loved Xena.
I am SO sick to death of the cliche of "If you kill me, you'll become me."
It is such an obviously-flawed philosophy.
Let's see - Bad Guy kills tons of innocent people, good guy risks life to stop bad guy for good.
I don't see anything equating the 2 characters other than using lethal force.
But motives ARE important, people. To simplistically compare 2 characters on one shared characteristic is one of the most infuriatingly myopic and disingenuous (purposely misleading) things to do, I barely stifly my cries of "NOOO!!! Not AGAIN!" everytime they fall back on it.
Back to Xena - the most refreshing thing about the show (early on) was that Xena was unequivocably a hero character, yet she made the moral decision to kill the bad guys many times. It wasn't an accident, it wasn't thru the actions of the bad guy he kills himself, it wasn't a cop-out resolution : she decides the world is better off without the Bad Guy, and she'll put her soul (and conscience) on the line to guarantee a better life for everyone else.
Unfortunately, in later seasons, they degenerated into some of that stock cliche of "AM I bad for killing people"? Blech....
You're either a hero with a sword, or you're not. Use the thing. (Substitute hero with a gun for lame cop cliches)
I am SO sick to death of the cliche of "If you kill me, you'll become me."
It is such an obviously-flawed philosophy.
Let's see - Bad Guy kills tons of innocent people, good guy risks life to stop bad guy for good.
I don't see anything equating the 2 characters other than using lethal force.
But motives ARE important, people. To simplistically compare 2 characters on one shared characteristic is one of the most infuriatingly myopic and disingenuous (purposely misleading) things to do, I barely stifly my cries of "NOOO!!! Not AGAIN!" everytime they fall back on it.
Back to Xena - the most refreshing thing about the show (early on) was that Xena was unequivocably a hero character, yet she made the moral decision to kill the bad guys many times. It wasn't an accident, it wasn't thru the actions of the bad guy he kills himself, it wasn't a cop-out resolution : she decides the world is better off without the Bad Guy, and she'll put her soul (and conscience) on the line to guarantee a better life for everyone else.
Unfortunately, in later seasons, they degenerated into some of that stock cliche of "AM I bad for killing people"? Blech....
You're either a hero with a sword, or you're not. Use the thing. (Substitute hero with a gun for lame cop cliches)
Tarrasque Wrangler
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I've gotta great horror movie script I've been working on. See, there's this guy terrorizing these teenagers, but here's the twist, he only kills the teens having sex! The one nice virginal girl finally confronts him at the end and kills him right as he's about to kill her boyfriend. He starts to console her, but what's that the camera picks up in the background? It's the killer, getting back up! We close the film on the couple turning around to see him swinging the axe at them!
How's that for a twist?
How's that for a twist?
DarkSoldier
First Post
I have a better idea; make it so you never see the killer's face! He could wear a pillow-case with an eyehole, or even better, a hockey mask!Tarrasque Wrangler said:
Mustrum_Ridcully
Legend
Seeing the last episode of the first 24-season (It was shown on German TV the last 4 weeks in a kind of "marathon" - at three days each week the station sended 2 hours of the season - and also rerunned them at night), this series does not seem to follow the "cop doesn`t shoot his arch nemesis" clichee -
(I will use a spoiler tag in case someone didn`t see it yet - I would be surprised so, but hey, what good is that tag if it is not used as often as possible
)
Mustrum Ridcully
(I will use a spoiler tag in case someone didn`t see it yet - I would be surprised so, but hey, what good is that tag if it is not used as often as possible
)
Jack killed Drazeen after he has disarmed himself and given up. He didn`t kill Nina, though, but only because he didn`t know that she shot his wife.
Mustrum Ridcully
Tarrasque Wrangler
First Post
Yeah, from what I've seen, Jack Bauer doesn't have much problems with shooting anybody
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