Hide from Dragons

[Derren]

Except Joe Hoardstealer uses the chance to walk into the lair undetected to CdG the dragon which can't see him.

 

[Al]

Except of course that you can't CDG something that isn't aware of you, merely something that is helpless. Joe Hoardstealer would be limited to sneak attacking it, and if he's going to burn a 7th level spell for one measly sneak attack (which may not even hit given the dragon's AC!) then let him. The only exception would be if the dragon were asleep- in which case a simple Silence spell would be all that would be required to sneak up on it.

 

[Kodam]

CdG?

Hi!

Being invisible to the dragon does not allow you to CdG him. And I as DM would NEVER let the PCs get to meet a sleeping Dragon btw...

Kodam

 

[James McMurray]

And of course, the dragon can't see him, but his minions and the alarm spell on his lai still can.

 

[Cheiromancer]

I don't understand why true sight would be considered a different sense than sight. If you have been blinded, can you use true sight to perceive your surroundings? I don't think so.

In any case, true sight helps you to see invisible creatures, see through illusions, etc. A creature using Hide from Dragons is not invisible, the spell is not an illusion, etc.. So true sight is no help.

The Draconomicon version omits the sentence (found in the Hide from Animals version) that mentions tremorsense, blindsense, etc. So really it only mentions seeing, hearing and smelling. I don't think that means that a dragon can use its innate blindsense. That is ruled out by the phrase "the dragon simply acts as though the warded creatures are not there." I venture to say that the line was omitted because it is redundant.

If it is true that acting as though the warded creatures were not there means that blindsense is nullified, then other senses would also be nullified; even ones not explicitly mentioned. So acquiring blindsight from a spell would not help.

Having non-dragon guards is a good idea, though. And alarm spells would alert the dragon that something was amiss. He couldn't perceive the warded characters, but he could blanket the area with his breath weapon.

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One other question: A no-save Hide from Devils- what level should it be? Does 5th sound fair?

 

[James McMurray]

I didn't realize that it wasn't an illusion, so True Sight is out. It does specifically mention blindsense though (in the first sentence).