Hijacked Thread in need of closure.

[Jeremy Ackerman-Yost]

"Thou shalt have no god before me" seems pretty much just putting myself on top of the heap. the christian god doesnt seem to meet your criteria very well.

Actually, God had a lot of other causes and agendas. Including the testing, proving, and safeguarding of the Hebrew people. He had LOTS of Lawful causes going on at various times. His apparent voice and opinions also varied directly with the vices and biases of the Elders, just like most religions today, so I don't think we can hold anything against him, personally.

Also, you're quoting the Old Covenant in reference to the Christian God, who was a much more tolerant and low-key guy all-around than the Hebrew one, despite what they taught me in Catholic School. Apparently, Fire & Brimstone is much more fun to teach than anything Christ actually said...

 

[Celtavian]

Re

I certainly hope that they do not make the Paladin a prestige class. The Paladin is my favorite class of all time. I am sorry, I don't think Neutral or Chaotic Good people have the discipline nor the dedication to achieve Paladin status.

Paladins are the ultimate champions of not only goodness, but order as well. They promote well-organized, goodly religions bent on making the world a better place by force of arms if necessary.

There is no class as entertaining for me to roleplay as a Paladin. The Paladin embodies the greatest ideals of heroism and most folks who play Paladins will lay down their life for the cause without a second thought. It's a great class that inspires people to do some of their best roleplaying.

 

[Enkhidu]

Lela - I'll save the email and give you the bad news here.

I've not been able to do a fully fleshed out 3rd Ed version of the Hands of Justice, as they were originally conceived in the early 90's during the days of 2nd Ed. All we did for them then was swap out certain paladin powers. I've since extrapolated and come up with a few things for a 3rd ed Hand of Justice, but I'd need to do a bunch more work (and probably make it a PrC) before I'd want to set it free in the wild.

Bear with me, I might eventually get it done, but certainly not tonight.

 

[jgbrowning]

That's why I use Dictionary.com. They don't have to worry about paper costs and are less likely to miss things.

Note that they also had the 12 Knights, if you notice my earlier post. Whether or not you're Catholic or Orthodox (the great schism hadn't quite happened yet), they still had a suprime impact on history, including language develpment. I don't think it's slang; it's one of the definitions (and I've seen three different ones so far).

lela, i know what the definition is. what i was saying was "slang" was the concept of "Lawful Good and exclusivly Lawful Good" which came from Mr. Gygax.

and will someone please give me some reasons why a paladin MUST be LG when he can worship Pelor? or my other Wee Jass example?

instead of arguing paladins outside of the game lets argue them inside of the game... its much more interesting and even more silly.


joe b.

 

[Dragongirl]

Sigh, never meant this to become an arguement about what a "Paladin" is or meant. Oh nevermind.

 

[Enkhidu]

Sigh, never meant this to become an arguement about what a "Paladin" is or meant. Oh nevermind.

Yet, if I know you by now you will not be able to look away...

Anyhoo why not try to get the discussion back on track by asking the question - is the role of the Paladin better suited to a PrC or ato a 20 level class?

 

[jgbrowning]

Actually, God had a lot of other causes and agendas. Including the testing, proving, and safeguarding of the Hebrew people. He had LOTS of Lawful causes going on at various times. His apparent voice and opinions also varied directly with the vices and biases of the Elders, just like most religions today, so I don't think we can hold anything against him, personally.

Also, you're quoting the Old Covenant in reference to the Christian God, who was a much more tolerant and low-key guy all-around than the Hebrew one, despite what they taught me in Catholic School. Apparently, Fire & Brimstone is much more fun to teach than anything Christ actually said...

Gods that test, prove and safeguard their people are in every pantheon and not all of them are lawful good.

Grummsh for one, the god of the orcs

and if i understand my christian mythology properly, isn't christ supposed to have been the Old Covenant god so he did actually say the 10 commandments?

joe b.

 

[Lela]

I am pleased to see the slang has filtered into romance novels.

Is that honestly all you got from his statement?

edit: sorry about this post. i dont know howto break pieces up to respond properly. do i just move the "/Quote" thingy around?

Here's an example:

[.QUOTE][.i]Originally posted by jgbrowning [./i]
[.B]

This is what jgbrowning said.

[./B][./QUOTE]

Excluding the periods of course (I used them to keep it from turning into actual code). Just use that same format. Some Notes:

• Watch the [.B]s and [./B]s. That would be what makes the quote apear bold and both are needed or they look funky.
• Technically you don't need the [.i]Originally posted by XXXXXX [./i] but it's nice to give credence to the origanal author.
• It's much less daunting if you cut and paste.

 

[Jeremy Ackerman-Yost]

edit: sorry about this post. i dont know howto break pieces up to respond properly. do i just move the "/Quote" thingy around?

Yeah. I just copy and paste the open and close QUOTE boxes to various places.

No what you did was try to make me say that dictionaries dont change to represent a changing language...

Well, often they don't. That's part of my problem with the whole thing. When a word stays 100% unchanged in Oxford for 100 years, I start to get twitchy.

I am pleased to see the slang has filtered into romance novels.

Did it also filter retroactively into Medieval literature?

and guess what, they'll be using slang. It don't matter how educated they are. education does not mean they dont use slang, or that the dont think a particular definition should not be slang.

Have you MET any linguists and psychology PhDs? They're often gaggingly literal. Most of my colleagues wouldn't know pop-culture if it ran them over with a bus. And they DON'T do slang. Some of them go so far as to appropriate the Queen's English. Personally, I think it comes from low self-esteem, and re-building self-image to facilitate their perceived strengths. But all that proves is that I've absorbed their psychobabble too long

 

[Lela]

and if i understand my christian mythology properly, isn't christ supposed to have been the Old Covenant god so he did actually say the 10 commandments?

joe b.

Let's not get into that. Religion=Taboo. Besides, since it depends on the faith, there WILL be an arguement over it. And it will be a big one. I speak from experience here.