Hit Points?

[lexoanvil]

i will never understand why people consider CHA a dump stat : (

 

[HeinorNY]

That is FUNNY.

That's because you missed his other post.
http://www.enworld.org/showpost.php...28&postcount=23

 

[SSquirrel]

Just for fun I decided to take a look at HP at the end of each tier of play.

10th level HPs (assumes 20 Con for everyone)

Wizards 66HP
Cleric/Ranger/Rogue/Warlock/Warlord 77HP
Fighter/Paladin 89HP

20th level HPs (assumes 20 Con for everyone)

Wizards 106HP
Cleric/Ranger/Rogue/Warlock/Warlord 127HP
Fighter/Paladin 149HP

20th level HPs (assumes 20 Con for everyone)

Wizards 146HP
Cleric/Ranger/Rogue/Warlock/Warlord 177HP
Fighter/Paladin 209HP

 

[PeelSeel2]

That's because you missed his other post.
http://www.enworld.org/showpost.php...28&postcount=23

That REALLY clarifies it. Thanks for the link.

 

[ShockMeSane]

So Constitution is the new Charisma?

That was my first initial reaction when I heard about this, until someone pointed out the benefits of having more healing surges, which CON bonus provides. Over the course of time between extended rests, a high-CON character will have many, many more hps than a lower CON one. Seeing as simply receiving a healing spell often requires a healing surge, I can see this definitely being helpful to your overall survivability.

But yea, back in the "old days" (like tomorrow night, when my might Duskblade goes troll-whacking), I pretty much lived in terror of having a CON below 16. I'm happy that CON isn't as 100% necessary as it was in previous editions.

 

[Bishmon]

Depends how many healing surges you want to have. I think it might be a bit risky to run around with a really small number.

Meh. It just means that a character will need an extended rest a few encounters earlier. Since there's no real benefit to fighting those extra encounters except in rare cases when a party is time-constrained, then having a couple more healing surges doesn't help all that much.

I'm a bit underwhelmed by Constitution is 4E. The difference between a 16 Con and 12 Con are 4 HP and 2 healing surges. Like I said, I don't think the extra healing surges matter much since there's rarely a need or a benefit to soldiering on through a lot of encounters in a day. The 4 HP are nice, I suppose, but I'm guessing it'll be pretty easy to find another ability score to bump up that will provide nicer bonuses to a certain class than an extra 4 HP.

There's also the matter of the +2 difference to the fortitude defense, but the classes that need Constitution the most are likely to have Strength as their key attribute, so that negates that difference in fortitude defense.

I'm a bit overwhelmed, though, by the Toughness feat. That 4 extra HP at first level is fine, but the extra hit point every level is very nice. When even fighters are only getting 6 HP per level, an extra hit point each level is great. And for wizards, it's gonna be hard to pass up a feat that will probably raise their HP total by 25%. Especially now that hit point damage is more vital since save-or-dies have been reduced.

Oh, and the extra hit points will also increase the amount healed by healing surges, and will give the character a larger death cushion below 0 HP.

So yeah, in my opinion, Consitution meh, Toughness yay.

 

[arscott]

That's because you missed his other post.
http://www.enworld.org/showpost.php...28&postcount=23

You are a terrible person, sir.

 

[neceros]

You are a terrible person, sir.

Slightly off topic, but your signature made me laugh. Up to 203,607.

 

[Dunamin]

I'm a bit underwhelmed by Constitution is 4E. The difference between a 16 Con and 12 Con are 4 HP and 2 healing surges. Like I said, I don't think the extra healing surges matter much since there's rarely a need or a benefit to soldiering on through a lot of encounters in a day. The 4 HP are nice, I suppose, but I'm guessing it'll be pretty easy to find another ability score to bump up that will provide nicer bonuses to a certain class than an extra 4 HP.

There's also the matter of the +2 difference to the fortitude defense, but the classes that need Constitution the most are likely to have Strength as their key attribute, so that negates that difference in fortitude defense.

Don't forget that Constitution also now might be a primary attribute in some powers, since it was revealed that its very important for hammer-users.

All in all, I'm pretty happy that Con is more "on par" with other abilities, in terms of importance.

 

[Cirex]

That's because you missed his other post.
http://www.enworld.org/showpost.php...28&postcount=23

I just Rick Rolled a friend (it never gets old) and while I was still smiling about it, I click this url...

It seems wisdom will be the dump stat, not constitution. Time (and a full book of rules) will tell.
But we can agree that constitution won't be the most important stat.