Holiday Iron DM!!!! {Final Judgment Posted!}

nemmerle said:
In the meantime, the ingredients in this particular list are all joined by a common theme - if anyone can guess it - well, uh. . I can't offer a prize - but you'll get mad props from me :D

The Police / Sting?

Secret Journey (song from GITM)
Message In A Bottle (song from RDB)
Ghost In The Machine (album)
Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic (song from GITM)
Moon Over Bourbon Street (song from DOTBT)
Bring On The Night ?? (song / album)

I'm at an unfair disadvantage though. I own a book & music store, I've worked in music & book retail for over 20 years and The Police are my absolute favorite band. Actually, that list caused writer's block for me for a while, cuz I couldn't get the songs out of my mind :D

I'm going to listen to them right now as a matter of fact.
 

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Wicht vs. mirthcard – Semi-final round – Judgment

Let me begin by saying I was a little disappointed in the incorporation of some of the ingredients – they seemed a little stretched to fit – but since both contestants seemed to do this – this “weakness” in the entries cancelled each other out.

I cringed at Wicht’s use of a “band” – which seemed anachronistic to me – but if I simply thought of them as a band of traveling performers and ignored the modern connotation of “band” – it was okay.

I wasn’t too sure about the series of events in Wicht’s entry at first and the coincidence of the band having visited (and decimated) the towns the PCs will pass through), while having nothing to do with the actual diplomatic mission – but then I starting considering how players tend to think – nothing is a coincidence in the eyes of a player – so sometimes a coincidence is the best way to confound them.

I could just imagine how creepy it would be for the PCs as they arrive in Rumsdale to find the festival of the dead going strong – after just having encountered villages full of dead people – if played right, this scenario would have a growing eeriness – the PCs would know something is going to happen – but not what – and would be desperate to find their contact “in the Bottle” and get their message and perhaps get out of there – of course, the moral dilemma might also arise where they might have to decide between getting what they came for and going – or sticking around to try to save this town. Moral dilemmas make for good adventures.

However, Wicht does suffer from some weaknesses in his entry – the flyers left in the destroyed towns are too obvious a clue – and to build more dramatic tension – the party should have to figure out that the band is behind the death – the band should tear down all their flyers before they leave a town – but maybe one or two could have been torn in such a way to have the pieces of some words left – or a great prop could be different pieces of different flyers that are incomplete or redundant and having to piece them together. Also, the diplomat’s costume making her the ‘doubtful vampire” is especially weak – I would think that everyone dressed up as undead in this town would be “doubtful” to pull off the guise – there is nothing special about it.

I think mirthcard’s entry suffers from too much convolution in the backstory. . . But that is easily ignored. – Perhaps if he had not been rushed in the end he could have presented it with more clarity – but my place is not to ask “what might have been” ;)

The use of the bottle ingredient for access to the demi-plane was a clever variation on the “City in a Bottle” archetype – but mirthcard failed to incorporate the “message” portion. Sure, there is the magic mouth that croaks out “bottle” – but that is a bottle in a message not vice-versa – clever reversal – but still not quite the right ingredient.

The use of the female halfling wizard in an earlier attempt to get to the bottom of the disappearances lends the scenario some verisimilitude –as it does not make the place(s) seem static until the party arrives (a problem with many adventures – most (when fleshed out) SHOULD have timelines of events that will occur if the party does not interfere). Also, while the goblin tunnels that connect the villages was not in the ingredient list – it again lends mirthcard’s entry (like his last one) an old school flavor – a huge series of tunnels that would take a long time to explore and would make the tracking of the villains difficult – the inclusion of some side-encounters for those tunnels might have been nice, though –or a red herring, if there are still some goblins around who might be held accountable for the disappearance, but might actually make good witnesses to what is really happening. In fact, if there are secret tunnels in the goblin lair that the villains use – then it would be doubly the secret journey/

Personally, I would have gone for a more evil ending – if the young servant became a ghost – I would have had Menegorn rise as a wraith or a wight – so that all those children being put in the bottle when released would become a plague of undead spawn threatening to overrun the villages – but then again, I am a Rat Bastard. :D

While, I like the idea of the party might having to ally itself with the boy-vampire – I don’t think the “doubtful” portion of this ingredient was used very well - in mirthcard’s scenario it is the party that seems doubtful, not the vamp.

In the end, I have to give this round to Wicht – It seems he is the man to beat.

Mirthcard, it was a solid try and from your two entries I can see you are getting better at this so better luck next time. . .

As for the source of the ingredients, I am impressed that MC figured it out – esp. “Bring on the Night” which is the source of the “doubtful vampire” ingredient – ”the future is but a question mark, hangs above my head there in the dark.” and “Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic” :D

As for “ghost” – I was thinking “Spirits in a Material World”

And “one night show” is from “So Lonely” (off of Outlandos d’ Amour). The Police are definitely one of the best bands of all time – though I can take or leave Sting (mostly leave) on his own.

Now, if only Arwink would show up!
 

Also, the diplomat’s costume making her the ‘doubtful vampire” is especially weak – I would think that everyone dressed up as undead in this town would be “doubtful” to pull off the guise – there is nothing special about it.

Actually that was only a secondary ingredient thrown in at the last moment. My primary and original use of the doubtful vampire was supposed to be Hershwine who was filled with self-doubt as a vampire. Of course, I thought that was rather weak myself so I decided to incoporate a second use of the ingredient.

Didn't Shakespeare use "band" to describe a band of musicians? How anachronistic is the usage actually? I will have to look that up now. I know that band of travelers and band of musicians as phrases have been used for many years...

In writing the adventure I actually started off with the idea of a musical group doing a deadly show and then tried to figure out how the PCs could get involved. I decided having the PCs on the secret journey and by sheer coincidence running into the other group would work well. Like Nemm did, I could see the PCs second guessing how the events in the first two towns tied in with their mission and worrying themselves to death over it.

Good contest Mirthcard and thanks Nemm.
 

Come on, nemmerle...let us have the ingredients, old buddy old pal :D!!

Seriously, I'm going out for the night in another 30-45 minutes and I'd really like my Round #2 battle to commence tonight. I'm more than willing to use 24 hours from your post time for my entry, while providing arwink a delayed start time beginning with his next post. I trust him to let us know when he's gotten the story elements. He and I both agreed to let our match start today whether or not we were online, and I'd like to begin instead of letting things slide into tomorrow if possible.

And BTW -- congrats Wicht!! I hope to be seeing you in the Finals :cool:!!
 
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Well done, Wicht! Congratulations and I'm pulling for you to actually win one this time... (nothing against arwink or QB though).

I'll write more exposition and such later, when I'm in a better mood (from the day I had today, not (just) from my loss).

As for The Police connection, I thought you were pulling the vampire from Moon Over Bourbon Street, which is based on Anne Rice's work (Lestat?). And I thought that you were using Bring on the Night, since that CD was a live one-night show (and also the name of a documentary about the making of Dream of the Blue Turtles). It would be hard to guess Spirits in the Material World from the ghost clue though, so I don't begrudge myself that one. I knew that one night show reference after you said it, but I just couldn't pull the song from my memory. Outlandos D'Amour is my favorite record. And I agree with your assessment of Sting's solo career. I think his early solo albums are good, but they go fast downhill afterwards. Mercury Rising and Brand New Day are unlistenable. Of course, I'm not a Dave Matthews fan either, so to each their own I suppose :)

p.s. Just thought you should know that the message was "In A Bottle" :D
 
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As for the source of the ingredients...

Ah ha, at last the secret is revealed. ;-) I asked how you generate these lists during the last Iron DM, but you didnt want to tip anyone off and give away a potential competetive advantage.

Wicht's exposition: I'm curious if Wicht has read "King Rat"; for some reason the mix of music, monsters and a climactic concert reminded me of that book. Perhaps he can address this question in his exposition.
 

I'm leaving a bit later than originally planned this evening, sooooo here's my last plea (ploy? ;)) to have nemmerle post the elements for my semi-final contest. I really will need the "think" time tonight for this round, and much of my day tomorrow is already accounted for. Please let's have 'em.
 

I have never read king rat. Sorry. I was more influenced by 80's rock than anything else I think. I pictured black shirts of skeletons holding roses and swords and the rest just fell into place. (I was just sorry I could not think of some play on Twisted Sister for Trixie Twisted's musical group.) Actually the idea of an evil female halfling necromancer acting as lead singer for a group of musically inclined undead sort of just tickled me and I went with it. Like I said, the musical element came first and the PCs role came second in my brainstorming endeavors.
 

Okay. .

I'll post the ingredients and trust Quickbeam and Arwink to time themselves from when they first see them (please post as soon as you do).

Arwink vs. Quickbeam - Semi-Final Round

Ingredrients
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Brontosaurus
Magical Mud
Flying Carpet
Skeletons
Frozen Waterfall
Foppish Foreigner
 

nemmerle:
It's 7:58 p.m. EST by my clock, and I've got the list. Thanks much for posting the ingredients...and I'll try real hard to get King of Pain and Englishman in New York out of my head now ;).
 

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