Holy Water

[Arkhandus]

In the group I play in, we slew a malebranche (a fiend from the monster manual 2) by having the rogue Spider Climb on the ceiling invisibly, and dump a Bag Of Holding full of holy water onto the malebranche's head. We had another Bag Of Holding filled with holy water as well, to kill the other malebranche we were hunting down.

 

[Lord Pendragon]

By carrying around kegs full of the stuff. Or filling a castle moat. Etc., etc.

I must not be devious enough to see the problem here. So the PCs spend a large sum of money to have a keg of holy water. They use it up to kill one demon, let's say. (Assuming they have a catapult or some other way to get the entire volume onto the demon--love the Spider Climb/Bag of Holding trick!) Then the Holy Water is gone, and so is the money they spent on it.

I guess I just don't see where it crosses the line from "unusual tactic" to "abuse of the rules." And a moat full of Holy Water? Aside from a huge debt to the Church, what would that accomplish? Would the king have everyone entering the castle strip down and bathe in it before entering?

 

[Starglim]

And a moat full of Holy Water? Aside from a huge debt to the Church, what would that accomplish? Would the king have everyone entering the castle strip down and bathe in it before entering?

It works for Mount Celestia. All portals into the plane open several dozen feet offshore in the Celestial Ocean, which is made of Holy Water.

 

[Starglim]

Maybe there is a church-cleric version of the spell that uses a Focus rather than a material component, say, a marble font with a silver bowl worth 1000gp that must be permanently installed on consecrated ground.

edit: Or you could just use the 1st Edition original of this idea.

 

[Ogrork the Mighty]

I must not be devious enough to see the problem here.

Are you trolling? It sure seems that way.

Let's just agree to disagee then. Back to the post...

 

[dren]

I have gotten rid of the spell, and created a feat, create holy water, which is available for divine spellcasters. They create one sprinkle per level, but like all of my creation feats, it has no XP cost. In this case, there is also no material cost, they need a font and one hour of prayer.

I alsways thought the 5 pounds of silver was silly, but then again, I think the basic D&D creation rules are wonky.

 

[joelmarcus]

ahh let them make a moat of holy water then send a few undead dragons with fly and a few sheets attached to thier undead wings for manuverability and vola! a new way to attack the adventurers!. if you want to be really nasty put a few zombies on the dragons as parachutists. All these are sent by your local friendly neighborhood Lich! As for creation for holy water, I think that having an item that is worth 25 gp that is used up as a material component is a good idea. But the power of the water is a little watered down I think

 

[Lord Pendragon]

Are you trolling? It sure seems that way.

Let's just agree to disagee then. Back to the post...

Why would you think I was trolling? I never have and never will. I'm not a devious player, and so certain abuses never occur to me (Great Cleave and Bucket o' Snails, for an example). I still don't see how you can abuse Bless Water as written, and said as much in my previous post, including reasons why I couldn't see any abuse in your previous examples.

To reiterate, it seems fine to allow the PCs to pay the money for a keg of Holy Water and use it as a giant-sized missile-weapon against a demon. They can still fail with it, and even if they succeed, they've paid for their victory, just as if they'd purchased some other one-use magic item. The moat would cost an insane amount of money, and you'd still have to convince the vampires and demons to go swimming in it to get any use out of the thing at all.

All I'm saying is, "I can't see it, show me how a player can abuse this spell."

But, if you'd rather stop discussing it, I can respect that, too.

 

[Tonguez]

For what its worth Lord Pendragon , I didn't think you were trolling either and generally agree with your pov - payign for a keg of holy water isn't an abuse imho...