Hordes of the Abyss.

[Razz]

Speaking of the Klurichir, it needs errata.

It's description suggest it has four arms, yet it only attacks with one? It also suggested that each arm has a battleaxe and its spine attack has no range increment? Is this fixed in Hordes of the Abyss or soon be fixed?

The Full Attack progression of the demon, I assume is:

Huge +3 battleaxe +26/+21/+16/+11 melee, 3 Huge +3 battleaxes +26 melee, 2 pincers +25 melee, spines +25 ranged?

And I agree about the new page count, it's too low. I'm willing to pay for larger sized books with more info.

 

[Piratecat]

Because I love lying to people and I particularly enjoy upsetting you, my sweet.

--Erik

Don't tell Peggy, but I think I may love you. Run away with me to Tahiti.

Thanks for the inside scoop on the book, guys. Can't wait to see it.

 

[JoeGKushner]

Because I love lying to people and I particularly enjoy upsetting you, my sweet.

--Erik

And I thought it was because you can say and do one thing for WoTC and then go around and do it's exact opposite at Piazo.

Silly me.

 

[James Jacobs]

The articles in Dragon are more detailed but there is certainly a level of frustration reading X in one official book and immediately seeing Y in another official book. :\ Especially as it's now deliberate. It's one thing to say, "In the past we were unaware of what the power levels or demons covered would be." It's now "we see what they are and either don't agree with it or want to provide alternatives or the exact same demons."

I can certainly understand that frustration, but it's the only real option. D&D is about choices, and for something as singular and iconic as a demon lord, one statblock simply isn't going to cut it for the entire fan base. Some people have no use for creatures with a CR above 20, while others regularly use CRs in the 30s or 40s or higher. Others don't want stats for demon lords at all.

By providing the baseline stats at CR 20–23 and giving advancement rules, we cover everyone's needs. A demon lord's flavor, description, goals, and minions are independant of statistics, so you can use them no matter what and customize/choose what kind of power level you want for your own campaign. Again; my personal preference is for demon lords in the CR 25–32 range, and this is where the Demonomicon articles will continue to peg them. Alternately, you can use the statistics in the Tome of Horrors if you want even more powerful demon lords. In any case, I think that the concept of what's "official" and what's not is, in some ways, an artifact from 1st edition. If it's in your campaign, it's official, I say!

 

[Sammael]

I'll be getting it off Amazon, so, sadly, I don't expect to see it before July.

And now one question for the DDM fans out there: are any minis from the upcoming Blood War set hinted at/mentioned in the book? The blurb on WotC site says Blood War will contain minis from FC1.

 

[Razz]

Has the Klurichir been fixed somewhere I don't know about maybe? Surprised a Fiend Folio errata hadn't been released, especially since there was that one errata for a 3.0 bok that came out of nowhere on their website sometime back. I think it was Magic of Faerun? Or one of them, not sure which. It was 3.0 though.

 

[Razz]

Yes. The Klurichir is now CR 17 and the myrmixicus is CR 18.

CR 17 for Klurichir yet it can summon 2 Balors?

 

[JoeGKushner]

I can certainly understand that frustration, but it's the only real option. D&D is about choices, and for something as singular and iconic as a demon lord, one statblock simply isn't going to cut it for the entire fan base. Some people have no use for creatures with a CR above 20, while others regularly use CRs in the 30s or 40s or higher. Others don't want stats for demon lords at all.

So third time is the charm eh? Well, Book of Vile Darkness might not count 100% as it's 3.0.

Alternately, you can use the statistics in the Tome of Horrors if you want even more powerful demon lords.

Yeah, the Tome of Horrors has now become a haven for those who want some powerful beasties.

In any case, I think that the concept of what's "official" and what's not is, in some ways, an artifact from 1st edition. If it's in your campaign, it's official, I say!

That's very interesting James. Will Dragon and Dungeon magazine then no longer claim to be official support and no longer use the Dungeons and Dragons logo? I mean, it's an artifact from 1st ed right? Has no real effect on what people buy or think right?

 

[JoeGKushner]

CR 17 for Klurichir yet it can summon 2 Balors?

And remember, you don't get XP for those balors because it's built into the creature's CR.

 

[JoeGKushner]

I'll be getting it off Amazon, so, sadly, I don't expect to see it before July.

And now one question for the DDM fans out there: are any minis from the upcoming Blood War set hinted at/mentioned in the book? The blurb on WotC site says Blood War will contain minis from FC1.

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