Hordes of the Abyss.

[Razz]

We intend to continue publishing Demonomicons in Dragon, and will continue to provide CR 26–32 level stat blocks for demon lords (along with expanded information about them), but we can only do these at a rate of 3 or so a year. If there's a particular demon lord you can't wait to use in your campaign, grab a copy of Hordes of the Abyss and advance your favorite demon lord on up to whatever CR you need and you're good to go.

Is this to say we will be seeing a Demonomicon version of Graz'zt, Demogorgon, Orcus, Juiblex eventually?

And, as popular as Demonomicon is, you guys could get away with a Year of the Fiend or Demon and publish a Demonicon article per issue for a year. You'll get 12 demon princes out the way pretty quickly there.

Wishful thinking, I know.

 

[DaveMage]

We intend to continue publishing Demonomicons in Dragon, and will continue to provide CR 26–32 level stat blocks for demon lords (along with expanded information about them), but we can only do these at a rate of 3 or so a year. If there's a particular demon lord you can't wait to use in your campaign, grab a copy of Hordes of the Abyss and advance your favorite demon lord on up to whatever CR you need and you're good to go.

Aha!

So the nerfing of the demons is a nefarious plot by the staff at Paizo to sell more issues of Dragon!

Very devious....

 

[Shade]

Another question: Do the arrow and sorrowsworn demons from MMIII get a more "demony" name in this book? As it stands, on a list of demons, they stick out like sore thumbs. :\

 

[Sammael]

Aha!

So the nerfing of the demons is a nefarious plot by the staff at Paizo to sell more issues of Dragon!

Very devious....

Hasbro's bean-counters won't like this...

 

[James Jacobs]

So both the klurichir and myrmixicus are CR 19 or lower now?

Yes. The Klurichir is now CR 17 and the myrmixicus is CR 18.

Just to clarify, are you saying that future Demonomicons might include demon lords statted up in Fiendish Codex I? If so, does this include those that originally appeared in BovD?

Yes.

 

[JoeGKushner]

Aha!

So the nerfing of the demons is a nefarious plot by the staff at Paizo to sell more issues of Dragon!

Very devious....

The articles in Dragon are more detailed but there is certainly a level of frustration reading X in one official book and immediately seeing Y in another official book. :\ Especially as it's now deliberate. It's one thing to say, "In the past we were unaware of what the power levels or demons covered would be." It's now "we see what they are and either don't agree with it or want to provide alternatives or the exact same demons."

 

[Shade]

Yes. The Klurichir is now CR 17 and the myrmixicus is CR 18.

Interesting. Thanks!

 

[James Jacobs]

Sooooo...

How many pages (out of the measley 160) are wasted on demon lord stats? Please say 20 or less...

The Demon Lord chapter is 23 pages long, but it includes far more than stats; it also includes a lot of information about their servants, enemies, and goals.

And I agree... 160 pages wasn't enough; we could easilly have written a book twice as large (although if it were twice as large, it'd not be ready for release till like 2010!).

 

[Sammael]

Whew! I am so glad the stats aren't dominating the book.

I am really growing to hate the 160-page format. For some books (City of Splendors: Waterdeep, Fiendish Codex), it's simply not enough. I'd gladly pay the extra cash for 192 or more pages.

 

[JoeGKushner]

Whew! I am so glad the stats aren't dominating the book.

I am really growing to hate the 160-page format. For some books (City of Splendors: Waterdeep, Fiendish Codex), it's simply not enough. I'd gladly pay the extra cash for 192 or more pages.

You and me both. Part of the problem seems to be that the 192 page format went away. It's either 160 pages for $29.99 or $34.99 for 224 pages (or whatever the Tome of Magic is at it's higher price point.)