Hordes of the Abyss.
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JoeGKushner
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Psion said:Some might fault Elminster's ridiculously Mary Sue design qualities instead of Asmodeus.![:]](http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png "Devious :]")
Or Dalamar. (or Rastalin)
Or Mordy (or the other eight)
Or the Seven Sisters (other Choosen. etc...)
Too many of 'em that if you're playing in a FR game, it makes no sense that they'd be anything other than the high priest of Bane's slaves. "Hey Bane, I need a hot bath! Orcus, you're up. Make sure to lotion those hands this time. I don't want no cold hands on my shoulders." (Orcus shuddering in the background...)
I am in the camp that is a bit disappointed, though I understand the decision-- kind of. But I have one question that will clarify how useless the stats are for me. Erik mentions that there is a section describing how to advance these fellas into epic levels. Is that section a detailed rundown of what one can do or is it a quick throwaway that just talks in very broad generalities? Will it really help me advance these bad boys?
Cheers,
AD
PS: The demon lord stats are not a make or break decision for me in terms of buying the book. It's just one small part. It's only that having high CR or easily scaleable demon lords saves me a lot of time when I need to use them.
Cheers,
AD
PS: The demon lord stats are not a make or break decision for me in terms of buying the book. It's just one small part. It's only that having high CR or easily scaleable demon lords saves me a lot of time when I need to use them.
lkj said:
Likewise, I second this motion here. I am still getting it, but my biggest hype was to see these guys given their proper stats, and the Dragon Magazine route was the way to go. Pazuzu was awesome and way better than his WE version of BoVD, for example.
Though, the book sold me with Molydeus so, heh.
Sammael
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Nah, that would make too much sense.
Actually, a Web Enhancement similar in scope to SKR's Deity Do's and Don't's would be fantastic. The first part would present updated archfiend stats (for some archfiends), and the second part would have mechanics-free ideas on using the archfiends as statless entities. That way, everybody wins.
Actually, a Web Enhancement similar in scope to SKR's Deity Do's and Don't's would be fantastic. The first part would present updated archfiend stats (for some archfiends), and the second part would have mechanics-free ideas on using the archfiends as statless entities. That way, everybody wins.
sckeener
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The CR issue isn't a big deal for me. I'm more interested in the fluff. As a DM I'll tailor the CR to the adventure, so though having the stats already done is nice, it isn't a deal breaker for me. I've never had players try to eliminate a demon lord....ruin his plans - yes....permanently kill....no.
I'm still looking forward to the book.
I need more details, so I can heap praise on EriK and James.
I'd like a list of all the 14 demon lords supposed listed in the book. I'm also interested if they did anything with nodes. I'm an Ars Magica fan and bring regio's into my games. Nodes help. I'd prefer something a bit better than FR Champions of Ruin (evil node=silly)
I'm still looking forward to the book.
I need more details, so I can heap praise on EriK and James.
I'd like a list of all the 14 demon lords supposed listed in the book. I'm also interested if they did anything with nodes. I'm an Ars Magica fan and bring regio's into my games. Nodes help. I'd prefer something a bit better than FR Champions of Ruin (evil node=silly)
JoeGKushner
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Razz said:Likewise, I second this motion here. I am still getting it, but my biggest hype was to see these guys given their proper stats, and the Dragon Magazine route was the way to go. Pazuzu was awesome and way better than his WE version of BoVD, for example.
Though, the book sold me with Molydeus so, heh.
Pazuzu is in this book as well, also tunned down. As is Koestieche? Can never emember how to spell 'em.
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