Hordes of the Abyss.

[Shemeska]

I'll also point out that Gold Roger had post #616, and the earliest source of the Apocalypse of John with the relevant passage, gives the mark of the beast as 616, not 666. The latter appears to be a very early copy error

 

[Ripzerai]

I'll also point out that Gold Roger had post #616

I would say he won, then, except he posted on 06/02/06 - a day late!

 

[BOZ]

this thread needs more antichrist.

oh, damien!

 

[gfunk]

I realize I'm a day late and a dollar short with this thread but I wanted to add to the chorus of those who thanked James Jacobs. Though I am somewhat pained to see the Demon Lords weakened, I accept, understand and agree with your argument that pinning them at lower CRs works better for the vast majority of campaigns -- including mine.

We are finishing off Age of Worms now and I eagerly look forward to tangling w/ Demogorgon in the near future.

 

[JustaPlayer]

Should be a cake walk after defeating Dragotha.

Ok, ok. I'm not bitter about it. I just thought it was funny. Nod and walk away. Nod and walk away.

 

[Nightfall]

Yeah well we can hope Demogorgon at least has a better CR rating than Dragotha. At least he should be.

But man Age of Worms = dead by many, many bodies.

 

[bing]

Outside of the fact that this really isn't a thread to be pimping this in it's probably worth noting that it also deviates considerably from the standard histories and identities of the various archfiends in a number of cases. The flavor isn't bad, I can't say that, but it's not at all on the same page on a good many things with how it tries to reinvent some concepts, changes names of creatures, renames species of fiends, and some other fundamental alterations from the canonical vision of the lower planes.

Overall it's inspired homebrew, some of which I appreciate and some of which I don't care for, but when it discusses the Abyss or the 9 Hells of Baator it's not really talking about the same lower planes as I often am given how far it alters some things. Keep in mind guys on DF, I think it's a bit of an awkward disservice, and a bit misleading, to push it on half the planar threads that have been popping up lately.

The fine folks at dicefreeks seem to lean more toward Gygaxian Cosmology as cannon from the later Gord the Rogue novels were many of the demon lords were main characters in the books.

 

[James Jacobs]

Yeah well we can hope Demogorgon at least has a better CR rating than Dragotha. At least he should be.

But man Age of Worms = dead by many, many bodies.

You can expect Savage Tide to follow a similar "power arc" to Age of Worms or Shackled City. In other words, Demogorgon will be too tough for a 20th level party to walk up to and have a hope of defeating, just like Dragotha or Kyuss were in Age of Worms. Defeating Demogorgon, in other words, isn't something that happens in one adventure...

 

[ruleslawyer]

Incidentally, James, I just got my first look at the book.

Beautiful job! You guys have really excelled on this one!

 

[JustaPlayer]

Hey, James. You guys ever think about doing a write-up on the single coolest thing to come from the cartoon? Demodragon as a demon lord would be cool.