D&D 5E (2024) How can I do a Charisma-Investigation (or a Strength/Dexterity-Investigation if I can't use Charisma) to find a secret door?

[soviet]

YOU CANNOT HAVE A MEANINGFUL CAMPAIGN IF STRICT ATTENDANCE RECORDS ARE NOT KEPT.

Gary Gygax, probably

 

[ECMO3]

Wrong. Flat out, objectively wrong. There are pictures in the rulebooks.

Yes there are pictures in the rulebooks! Likewise there is a paragraph on Fade away is in the rulebooks

Those are not the rules.

I am no longer saying they are rules and have't been for about 8 postss now because of your strawman.

In fact, the vast majority of the DMG does not consist of rules, and therefore are not "in the rules."

Ok whatever. All the words in the DMG are mentioned in the rules though, whether they are rules themselves or not.

No he isn't. He's mentioned in the PHB, not in the 5e rules. There is no Drizzt rule.

No but like pictures Drizzt is mentioned in the 2014 rulebook. There is no Drizzt rule, but Drizzt is mentioned in the rules and there are pictures and illustrations and comments by fictional people all found in the official rules.

There is actually an entire publication who's title is "D&D Beyond Basic Rules" and that publication has all kinds of stuff in there that are not "rules" .... but all that stuff is "mentioned in the rules".

 

[kermit4karate]

Sure it is within the purview, but it does not mean those other rules don't exist.

For example extra attack is a rule which allows Fighters (and others) to make 2 attacks when they take the attack action at 5th level. A DM can overide that and say no one can make more than one attack, but that doesn't mean there isn't a rule about extra attack.



Sure they can. I have said that many times and the DM in this case uses "Fade away" when someone misses a game.

If you agree the DM can do anything they want regardless of another rule, then are you mostly disagreeing on principle?

 

[soviet]

If the rule is that the DM can override any other rule, then 'the DM decides' is the only rule, and everything else is just guidelines.

 

[ECMO3]

If you agree the DM can do anything they want regardless of another rule, then are you mostly disagreeing on principle?

The DM in question uses Fade away. My mistake in this entire thread was trying to reason with unreasonable people, when instead of pointing out what works in my experience and what the DMG offers as 'options' I should have just said "the DM uses Fade away so nothing else matters".

 

[Maxperson]

Yes there are pictures in the rulebooks! Likewise there is a paragraph on Fade away is in the rulebooks

This is what is known as a Red Herring. It's nothing more than a distraction argument, because simply being in a rulebook isn't relevant. It has to be a rule to have any meaning.

I am no longer saying they are rules and have't been for about 8 postss now because of your strawman.

Do I need to link what a Strawman is for you, because nothing I have said is a Strawman of your arguments?

Ok whatever. All the words in the DMG are mentioned in the rules though, whether they are rules themselves or not.

No. Mentioned in a rulebook =/= mentioned in the rules. To be mentioned in the rules, it has to be mentioned in an actual rule. This conflation of yours is a problem.

 

[DrJawaPhD]

The DM in question uses Fade away. My mistake in this entire thread was trying to reason with unreasonable people, when instead of pointing out what works in my experience and what the DMG offers as 'options' I should have just said "the DM uses Fade away so nothing else matters".

That wouldn't really change anything. Some people are just going to yell at clouds no matter what you do

 

[kermit4karate]

That wouldn't really change anything. Some people are just going to yell at clouds no matter what you do

That knife cuts both ways, Dr.

 

[hawkeyefan]

This is what is known as a Red Herring. It's nothing more than a distraction argument, because simply being in a rulebook isn't relevant. It has to be a rule to have any meaning.

Do I need to link what a Strawman is for you, because nothing I have said is a Strawman of your arguments?

No. Mentioned in a rulebook =/= mentioned in the rules. To be mentioned in the rules, it has to be mentioned in an actual rule. This conflation of yours is a problem.

Your pedantry knows no ends.

 

[Maxperson]

Your pedantry knows no ends.

I give what I get.