How/Can I make this character legally and efficently?

[Domstrae]

This is a bit of a munchkin, if that's even possible of fair in 4th edition. I want to make a Wilden Druid with Hexer Paragon Path. First off with my starting stats below can I swap out a feat at 11 to gain the lock multi-class feat which requries 13 cha which I would have after the +1 to all stats?

STR 8
DEX 12
CON 18
INT 10
WIS 18
CHA 12

Secondly would I have to get arcane impliment proficiency to use a staff as an impliment for the PP powers or can I use it already since its my base class? Also I've read a lot of argument about quarterstaff as a staff or not but assuming it is both at once, can you weapon focus, impliment expertise, and weapon expertise it?

Just FYI I like this character despite not being overtly powerful because he would be a meta jack of all trades (minus defender)

 

[Stalker0]

This is a bit of a munchkin, if that's even possible of fair in 4th edition. I want to make a Wilden Druid with Hexer Paragon Path. First off with my starting stats below can I swap out a feat at 11 to gain the lock multi-class feat which requries 13 cha which I would have after the +1 to all stats?

STR 8
DEX 12
CON 18
INT 10
WIS 18
CHA 12

Secondly would I have to get arcane impliment proficiency to use a staff as an impliment for the PP powers or can I use it already since its my base class? Also I've read a lot of argument about quarterstaff as a staff or not but assuming it is both at once, can you weapon focus, impliment expertise, and weapon expertise it?

Just FYI I like this character despite not being overtly powerful because he would be a meta jack of all trades (minus defender)

For 1), I tried it in the character builder and it was legal. I don't consider CB the true tests of rules, but since I don't anything in the book that says you have to choose your PP at 11th before any retraining I think its legal.

To 2), PP powers are not the same as the primary class powers. I don't think they have any implement restrictions, so you should be able to use your staff with warlock PP powers since you are a druid.

 

[Domstrae]

So as long as the impliment problem bears itself out I should be ok? Its such an intriguing character. Hes the darker side of nature, similar to a warlock but I always liked the concept of warhammer wood elves and tree-kin as not nescesarily being neutral but equally evil and good in the since that they are like animals, natural and sort of feral. Also some inspiration from illusion of gaia i suppose.

 

[FrozenChrono]

FYI there's a new feat in the monk article called focused expertise. It gives you the same bonus to hit progression as the other expertise feats but counts it both towards implement and weapon uses.

The expertise feats don't stack with each-other in case that's what you're trying to do. There's errata out for that as well. Even if you're using a weapon that can be used as an implement or a weapon with multiple groups (Urgosh) you still only get the bonus once.

 

[Kordeth]

Secondly would I have to get arcane impliment proficiency to use a staff as an impliment for the PP powers or can I use it already since its my base class?

You have to take AIP. Your druid implement ability allows you to use staffs with druid powers and druid paragon path powers. Hexer is not a druid paragon path, so druids cannot use staffs with hexer powers. You also need to take AIP after taking a warlock multiclass feat.

Also I've read a lot of argument about quarterstaff as a staff or not but assuming it is both at once, can you weapon focus, impliment expertise, and weapon expertise it?

You can take all three of those feats, yes. You will, however, only receive the Weapon Focus and Weapon Expertise benefits when using Weapon powers and attacking with a weapon in the staff group (i.e. a quarterstaff), and you will only benefit from Implement Expertise when using a staff with an Implement power using a staff.

Also, staffs (the implement) and staffs (the weapon group) are not the same thing. You can use a staff implement as a quarterstaff, but a magic quarterstaff isn't an implement and can't be used as one (unless you find one that has a special property that allows it to be used as an implement).

 

[Kordeth]

FYI there's a new feat in the monk article called focused expertise. It gives you the same bonus to hit progression as the other expertise feats but counts it both towards implement and weapon uses.

Wouldn't work in this case. Focused Expertise says "choose a weapon you can use as an implement;" a staff is an implement you can use as a weapon.

 

[Domstrae]

Sigh the whole staff thing is sorted. Someone saying a weapon is enchanted as an impliment but not a weapon has to explain why a sword mage can use a sword as an impliment and a weapon even though those are all enchanted as weapons too. Clearly a quarterstaff with weapon type staff is the same principal as a glaive being a sword and a halbred as a sword mage impliment. I digress. We as a group agree it is and this is just a quick and easy houserule.

I'll try and ask my next question in another context to get my answer then. I did not know about focused expertise. I suppose though all I need is impliment expertise so its all good. Can I still use weapon focus staff for the damage. I know a question very similar to this was green lighted ( I think directly related to eladrin and long swords and indirectly related to quarterstaves)

So definitely with paragon paths you have to be able to use an impliment rooted with the base class? Are there no examples of paragon paths that don't have a root class that use impliments? How would they resolve?

 

[chitzk0i]

Have you seen the Blightbeast PP in dragon 373 The Art of the Kill? It may get you that "evil" vibe without bend over backwards and multiclass.